How Do I Avoid Clingy and Desperate Men?

How Do I Avoid Clingy and Desperate Men

This may not seem like a problem to some women, but for me it is. When I am dating, I like to really take my time and get to know someone before I put any “name” on what we’re doing. It’s just having fun with someone, getting to know him, and see where things go. (I believe it’s called dating.)

There were a few men in the past several months that I liked. They were nice and I could see an eventual relationship coming of our dating. Here is the problem I’ve had…we go out once (maybe twice) and have a good time. There’s some kissing involved (but no sex). We make plans to go out again. Over the next several days he calls me constantly, starts talking about wanting a commitment from me, about our future together, and basically freaks me out from wanting to even go out with him again. (And yes, this has happened at least three times recently.) I understand liking me and wanting to spend time with me, and hoping that things will go further.  What I don’t understand is why they get so obsessive.

I’m a divorced mother with two young children, but I am not looking for someone to “rescue” me. I do want to be in a relationship, with the right person, and I do want to be married again. However, I am not going to jump into something so quickly that I am blindsided. Are these men just so desperate that they don’t understand the fundamentals of dating? Any way I can avoid this in the future? It seems to be happening to me a lot recently.

Leah

Dear Leah,

Yeah, it’s a drag when a guy says he really likes you and makes a supreme effort to see you. I’m sure all the women who are waiting by the phone for their dates to call are feeling particularly bad for you.

I kid, Leah, because it’s about as ironic as any dating situation can be. We want people to be real, authentic, and emotionally available, yet we cringe and we flee when they are.

I wouldn’t say this is the height of hypocrisy, because I don’t know how you get when you really like a guy. Maybe you never get excited and let down your guard. But imagine you did. It would be a shame if a man distanced himself from you precisely BECAUSE you said you liked him.

What it really comes down to, Leah, is timing. You keep finding guys who are ready to take the plunge, you dazzle them on a date or two, and you listen to them start gabbing about rings and honeymoons. That has nothing to do with you, and everything to do with them. They want to be married soon. You do not. That’s perfectly fair. But imagine the shoe was on the other foot.

Let’s say that you were 39, single, and childless. You meet a great guy. It wouldn’t be too unreasonable for you to get excited about him being the future father of your children. Of course, if he’s already a father of two, and also recently divorced, he might not be ready to dive back into a committed relationship. That’s nobody’s fault. That’s simply two good people who may be compatible, but are not a good fit at the time.

I’m particularly glad you wrote this email because it’s useful to hear from a woman who just not that into HIM. It goes to show that, as abhorrent as we find the concept of “game-playing”, sometimes a little game playing is exactly what is necessary to keep the fire burning.

When someone makes himself too accessible, too willing to jump into a relationship, we question him. We wonder how anyone could like us this much this soon. We immediately devalue those people. But when we’re crazy about someone and show it, we want that person to reciprocate. Can’t we just be REAL with each other? Isn’t that what it’s all about?

Apparently, it’s not….

I remember a woman that I went on a date with about seven years ago. At the end of the night, she said to me, “I’m glad to have you in my life”. We’d had fun, but after three hours, I wasn’t yet “in her life”. So I did what most people would never do. I told her that I thought she was great, but that she might want to hold back on the big proclamations until we get to know each other better. I told her that because I liked her so much, I didn’t want to get scared off by her intensity. Class act that she was, she took it in stride, and we remained friends for years after dating.

Needless to say, that’s not going to work for everyone, but I think an authentic conversation is a lot better than dropping every guy like a hot potato the second he tells you he’s interested.

Let’s face it: It can be hard to keep your feelings below the surface when they’re just bursting to get out. But take it from readers like Leah: full disclosure is like polyamory. It may sound great in theory, but in doesn’t work in practice.

 

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  1. 91
    Diana

    I am 60, and have not been dating for a while, my friend told me about a “friend” that did not want a relationship just a buddy to go to movies and just hang out. I thought I can do that, I too want to get to know a person before I leap into anything. The sad thing is I actually liked this person, we exchanged pictures but had NOT met yet, I explained that I understood he was looking for a buddy.  He began talking about there was a company trip in July and the benefits for his health plan at work, I told him why are you telling me this?  OMG, he told me that when we got married I needed to know and getting an engagement ring in 6 months.  That is not OK, if you haven’t even met the person and we spoke only one day, he really made me uncomfortable, I told him to back off he was too pushy…..   He flipped texting constantly, and calling, I went to bed early and did not answer his call and he kept texting until I texted back, I was sleeping and would get back with him tomorrow, he called me a liar, he had received texts like that before….  I just told him to stop contacting me, he was scary….

  2. 92
    Dee

    Now, I know that many would say that we’re stupid for pushing the men who are attracted to us, blah3.
    If you havent experienced it, dont say it imo.
    I have let a guy walk all over my boundaries because i precisely think so, I should be grateful, shouldnt I be ?
    So that goes on, all the while I am feeling even more suffocated.
    He says he loves me before even knows me, says he’s going to spend the rest of his life with me, I am the only good thing in his life – expecting me to feel the same way too(all is almost immediately after we started dating) and that he didnt need anyone else, ever.
    And im “the one”, the most important thing in his life..its like he saw me as this perfect angel when im really not. It puts so much pressure on me. I mean I like him, but he dumps too much on me too soon. like im supposed to be his “true love” in life, while im still strugglimg to even comprehend what true love really is. And “true love” at first sight..really ?
    His expectations is way too high too soon.
    He acts extremely childish, expects me to baby him too almost all the time.
    Im tired of the constant attention seeking / demanding.
    Is any of this really sounds healthy ?
    Can you really be so into someone that all of this sounds appealing ? Sounds like a highschool puppy- imaginative love to me. 

  3. 93
    LauraJ

    I feel the response from Evan on this one is not really fair. Yes, it’s great that some men are wearing their heart on their sleeves now, and yes it’s true the shoe is usually on the other foot. However, isn’t this more an age thing? Men are aloof and hard to pin down when younger, yet as they get older they want an immediate relationship. This has nothing to do with giving us what we’ve always wanted. No one wants someone who needs that much validation and commitment straight away. The answer to ‘why are men like this’ hasn’t  been answered. Are you saying ‘yes they ARE desperate?’. Are you saying that the only way around this is to spell things out all the time? No wonder people give up and don’t want to date? Surely there are nice men who have enough self awareness to realised how to date more politely and patiently? Perhaps we need a female reponse to this.

    1. 93.1
      betaman

      this is another common myth women perpetuate, the old rushing things too fast when its a beta man, but when its an alpha man you cant get your clothes off quick enough to impress him, its nothing to do with commitment and everything to do with how smooth the male and how well he can mimick the PUA techniques required for sex.  Essentually what your saying is we don’t want what I say I want, wich is one of the main features o the PUA community, they have you mapped out really well, and there are techniques that one can use to literally make you take your clothes off as fast as possible. !

  4. 94
    Hmm

    I don’t think that she’s not that into him because she doesn’t want to move as fast. It is vital to take your time with anyone. I’ve had similar situations when guys were clingy and desperate. To make one thing clear I did have an attraction towards them that’s why we dated in the first place. No sex was involved but desperation was apparent. I feel that if someone is desperate the want for you is not as strong as there want/need to be with someone. You will be there fix to fulfill there need to be with someone, feel needed or ease there insecurity. The last guy I dated said that he NEEDS a girlfriend, that is a problem within itself. If you can’t learn to manage your life alone and be strong as a single person you will always be dependent upon others. That is why a lot of rebound relationships occur and most of them end badly leaving your heart (emotions) to be damaged even more. I completely agree people don’t know the proper concept of dating. You really need to get to know someone and not rush into things.

  5. 95
    Argentarii

    My take as a man: tell him the truth, be honest, be direct, don’t be a woman! Women are used to drop hints and expect men to follow on them, even though they are often contradictory, like saying that they want sensitive men, but then getting attracted by the typical alpha-male who has no regards for women’s feelings.

    Men are simple. Very simple. Tell them EXACTLY what you mean, and call the police if they are psychopaths who can’t accept reality. You can call me if I live near you and you have the problem with the usual idiot doesn’t get the message “I don’t want to see you again”; I’ll break his neck if I have to.

    But it is time to accept reality: men need sex. Yes, like eating, breathing or avoiding fires. It doesn’t mean that they’d eat another person because they are hungry, and we won’t rape the floor because we’re horny. You don’t like it? Become a lesbian or avoid men altogether! Your choice.

    Men are confused about women’s behaviour and society in general. I know many women are too, but I am here to resolve this conflict: men mean exactly what they say, and if they are scared of saying it (which happens a lot, especially with feminists), their only option is to lie. We are easy creatures: our biology tells us to get strong, solve problems and fight everything and protect our female and our children, and die for them if necessary. These ideals don’t work in our modern society, and the “male dominant” figured is now “sexist”. Fair enough. The problem is that males now feel “useless”, biologically speaking. Men seek “little conquests” involving “problem solving” (see science, mechanics…),  seek challenges (even if they are “physical confrontations)  and “beat the enemy”. Modern feminism expects men to be gentle, respectful, considerate… but nothing like a man! Men need to fight to prove their worth, and when we don’t we feel like crap! But who cares about men anyway?

    Bottom line: if you feel like complaining about men, ask yourself what is the connection between men’s crazy behaviour and the absurd social impositions on society. If you don’t get it, please accept my apology and be happy, because you won your argument once more!

  6. 96
    betaman

    Its obvious isn’t it I guess you’ve never dated beta men before, here is how the PUA have you documented, your an attractive woman, you only went for alpha males before who were good with women, you loved it and you got married to one, he was an alpha male so the relationship was doomed to begin with, you didn’t realize that, now you do you want someone nice, you date nice beta men, but you hate them for being beta men, you still want an alpha male like every other woman, but you want an alpha male who will commit and be nice, laidy, they don’t exist.

    Men have your type documented well, your actually very common, a woman says she doesn’t like game but we know if your not smooth our chances with you are low, the simple answer to your question is very easy to answer ” how can I avoid beta men” EASY if someone is really nice they are beta run a mile, hold out for antoher alpha to do you over, eventually you will settle for a bta man after many alphas have been with you from the PUA community, you wownt like your new beta man, you wownt respect him because your not mature enough to want someone nice who has no game,  if you want a marriage you have to marry a beta, you don’t want a beta so your going to be unhappy, I just hope you don’t settle for a beta man though because he will love you with all his heart that you will break, please for the love of god and humanity don’t ruin a beta mans life, ust hold out for those one nighters with alpha men, its the only thing that will kepp you happy !

     

  7. 97
    CC

    The problem with the guy talking about a relationship so fast is that he may just be saying that so you let your guard down and f*** him. There are dating advice sites out there for men who want to get laid and bail out in a couple months. I suggest everyone googles these sites, so they know what “strategies” they are up against. There’s advice for how to get a woman to sleep with you quickly, and how to string a woman along cheaply. There’s “the game” or how to be a successful pick up artist and love em and leave em. Hey, for what ever reason this struck her the wrong way, listen to your ‘antennae’. If something is right and authentic, it probably won’t freak you out. I told a guy I liked him after sleeping with him 6 months and he ran for the hills. I was good enuf for casual, but he wasn’t into the real deal. No timelines, but people should have an idea of what “plays” in the dating world and what freaks a woman out or feels like pressure. Keep your guard up.

  8. 98
    CC

    Maybe it’s ok to BE desperate, just not ok to show it. ??? I’m a better dater now that I have given up. I’m like “yeah yeah, blah blah”. And know what? I”m right! ha. Desperate? No. Detached? You bet

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