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		<title>By: miskwa</title>
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		<dc:creator>miskwa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jun 2011 22:53:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sometimes a &quot;bare bones&quot; profile is intentional. I am guilty of this for reasons of safety. Nowadays in order to &quot;see what&#039;s out there&quot; on a site. you have to submit some sort of profile. I am well known in the (rather rough) small town where I live, and do NOT want any of the men here to know I am &quot;looking&quot; and wind up with a major problem on my doorstep; nor do I want to shell out serious money for a site where there are no/very few older men that have similar values.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sometimes a &#8220;bare bones&#8221; profile is intentional. I am guilty of this for reasons of safety. Nowadays in order to &#8220;see what&#8217;s out there&#8221; on a site. you have to submit some sort of profile. I am well known in the (rather rough) small town where I live, and do NOT want any of the men here to know I am &#8220;looking&#8221; and wind up with a major problem on my doorstep; nor do I want to shell out serious money for a site where there are no/very few older men that have similar values.</p>
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		<title>By: E</title>
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		<dc:creator>E</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jun 2011 15:43:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Contd... I&#039;m not talking about free dating sites... I&#039;m talking about the pay serious dating sites (match.com, Chemistry etc). Yes I agree that both men and women should obviously have some requirements but they can&#039;t be so ultra specific that all she does is constantly rejects all men cause she&#039;s looking for the non existent &quot;Mr. Perfect&quot; that never exists. Also women you can&#039;t just talk and then when it&#039;s the lets go out she says no. Yes you do get to know each other a lot better online, talking on the phone then in the bars. Also I think a lot of at least the more serious daters that are looking for serious dating are really truthful like 97% truthful especially with the pay online dating sites. I]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Contd&#8230; I&#8217;m not talking about free dating sites&#8230; I&#8217;m talking about the pay serious dating sites (match.com, Chemistry etc). Yes I agree that both men and women should obviously have some requirements but they can&#8217;t be so ultra specific that all she does is constantly rejects all men cause she&#8217;s looking for the non existent &#8220;Mr. Perfect&#8221; that never exists. Also women you can&#8217;t just talk and then when it&#8217;s the lets go out she says no. Yes you do get to know each other a lot better online, talking on the phone then in the bars. Also I think a lot of at least the more serious daters that are looking for serious dating are really truthful like 97% truthful especially with the pay online dating sites. I</p>
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		<title>By: E</title>
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		<dc:creator>E</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jun 2011 15:35:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think women get looked at even though their profile sucks but at the same time when men see that her profile either sucks, or she starts bringing out the hundreds of &quot;requirements&quot;, her stupid LONG laundry list that men must meet then yes men will look but quickly pass on her cause even with her online profile she&#039; back to her same huge stringent &quot;requirements&quot;, laundry list. A lot of women think that oh since he&#039;s not out there in the bars, or she can&#039;t find him when shes out and about she will go to online dating but a lot of them reluctant even in the 21st century. 

Online dating is how a lot of people that are already graduated from college and into their professional lives date. It also amazes me how a lot of yet college students are online which they should be dating in college. College is easy to find dates. But these young women are usually not on for &quot;long term&quot; relationships. A lot of the younger ladies still want the real casual dating and I don&#039;t think that works too well online. I think online is more for people wanting serious dating and ready for serious relationships and are for the most part over the quick fling.  

These days with online dating yet you hear a lot of women still bitch about &quot;oh I can&#039;t find a guy and I have to do this online dating&quot;. On top of her whining about online dating then she think well when I go online with my profile he must meet this and this and this and this list must go on and on and can&#039;t forget about he must under no certain circumstances be this height even though she put a &quot;range&quot; height in reality she&#039;s waiting for that &quot;tall&quot; guy and goes back to her ol routine of rejecting almost all guys cause she thinks since &quot;Mr. Perfect&quot; wasn&#039;t out there so with her being this ultra specific, ultra laundry list, ultra &quot;list&quot; &quot;Mr. Perfect&quot; has to be online and she&#039;s back to her rejecting almost all men. 

She then goes off about how she can&#039;t meet a good man, she&#039;s ready for a real relationship but she&#039;s looking for the NON EXISTENT &quot;Mr. Perfect&quot; (that doesn&#039;t exist). She then get&#039;s all pissy when she reads the online advice that she can&#039;t be too picky, she shouldn&#039;t just reject all the men and completely limit herself and pigeon hole herself to the point that yeah men look at her profile but once they read her profile men realize how either pissed off she comes across (cause she&#039;s salty about the online dating), she talks about all these specific things that he MUST meet or she&#039;s instantly rejects him or her profile is ultra specific then men will pass her cause they are like she&#039;s one of them too picky and all she&#039;s going to do is constantly say no. Then it&#039;s no wonder that she&#039;s constantly single. Also women have to actually GO OUT with men and date. You actually get to know them better online then you would at the bars with him and her all drunk. I like bars but bars suck to meet women and men.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think women get looked at even though their profile sucks but at the same time when men see that her profile either sucks, or she starts bringing out the hundreds of &#8220;requirements&#8221;, her stupid LONG laundry list that men must meet then yes men will look but quickly pass on her cause even with her online profile she&#8217; back to her same huge stringent &#8220;requirements&#8221;, laundry list. A lot of women think that oh since he&#8217;s not out there in the bars, or she can&#8217;t find him when shes out and about she will go to online dating but a lot of them reluctant even in the 21st century. </p>
<p>Online dating is how a lot of people that are already graduated from college and into their professional lives date. It also amazes me how a lot of yet college students are online which they should be dating in college. College is easy to find dates. But these young women are usually not on for &#8220;long term&#8221; relationships. A lot of the younger ladies still want the real casual dating and I don&#8217;t think that works too well online. I think online is more for people wanting serious dating and ready for serious relationships and are for the most part over the quick fling.  </p>
<p>These days with online dating yet you hear a lot of women still bitch about &#8220;oh I can&#8217;t find a guy and I have to do this online dating&#8221;. On top of her whining about online dating then she think well when I go online with my profile he must meet this and this and this and this list must go on and on and can&#8217;t forget about he must under no certain circumstances be this height even though she put a &#8220;range&#8221; height in reality she&#8217;s waiting for that &#8220;tall&#8221; guy and goes back to her ol routine of rejecting almost all guys cause she thinks since &#8220;Mr. Perfect&#8221; wasn&#8217;t out there so with her being this ultra specific, ultra laundry list, ultra &#8220;list&#8221; &#8220;Mr. Perfect&#8221; has to be online and she&#8217;s back to her rejecting almost all men. </p>
<p>She then goes off about how she can&#8217;t meet a good man, she&#8217;s ready for a real relationship but she&#8217;s looking for the NON EXISTENT &#8221;Mr. Perfect&#8221; (that doesn&#8217;t exist). She then get&#8217;s all pissy when she reads the online advice that she can&#8217;t be too picky, she shouldn&#8217;t just reject all the men and completely limit herself and pigeon hole herself to the point that yeah men look at her profile but once they read her profile men realize how either pissed off she comes across (cause she&#8217;s salty about the online dating), she talks about all these specific things that he MUST meet or she&#8217;s instantly rejects him or her profile is ultra specific then men will pass her cause they are like she&#8217;s one of them too picky and all she&#8217;s going to do is constantly say no. Then it&#8217;s no wonder that she&#8217;s constantly single. Also women have to actually GO OUT with men and date. You actually get to know them better online then you would at the bars with him and her all drunk. I like bars but bars suck to meet women and men.</p>
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		<title>By: Denise</title>
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		<dc:creator>Denise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Oct 2010 21:10:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[#33 and #34

Agreed, it doesn&#039;t take a lot of time to create a unique email.   It doesn&#039;t have to be long, a few sentences is fine--something that indicates she actually may be special out of the millions of women out there and you&#039;d like to know about X in her profile.

And also agreed not to bash women because they have &#039;criteria&#039;, the same can be said for men--they just look at the pictures and how big her boobs are.  Each sex has their own things that appeal to them, it&#039;s instinctual and we can&#039;t help it.  Reminds me of the saying:  Do you want to be right (women SHOULD look at more than a man&#039;s height) or be happy?

Having said all that, I can feel the frustration in #34 and can also identify with it!  Might be good to take a break and come back with a better attitude..

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#33 and #34</p>
<p>Agreed, it doesn&#8217;t take a lot of time to create a unique email.   It doesn&#8217;t have to be long, a few sentences is fine&#8211;something that indicates she actually may be special out of the millions of women out there and you&#8217;d like to know about X in her profile.</p>
<p>And also agreed not to bash women because they have &#8216;criteria&#8217;, the same can be said for men&#8211;they just look at the pictures and how big her boobs are.  Each sex has their own things that appeal to them, it&#8217;s instinctual and we can&#8217;t help it.  Reminds me of the saying:  Do you want to be right (women SHOULD look at more than a man&#8217;s height) or be happy?</p>
<p>Having said all that, I can feel the frustration in #34 and can also identify with it!  Might be good to take a break and come back with a better attitude..</p>
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		<title>By: Evan Marc Katz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Evan Marc Katz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Oct 2010 20:00:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hey Evil,

You&#039;re the problem. Not women. 

When I used to date online, I would spend 5 minutes on an email, and get 1 out of 3 writing back to me. You get 3 out of 1000. 

That tells me that either your emails aren&#039;t very good, your profile isn&#039;t very good, or you&#039;re overestimating the kind of women you can get. I&#039;m guessing it&#039;s all 3.

Your solution is &lt;strong&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.evanmarckatz.com/products/finding-the-one-online.php&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/strong&gt; - if you actually want to do something different to get results, instead of complaining how much women suck.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Evil,</p>
<p>You&#8217;re the problem. Not women. </p>
<p>When I used to date online, I would spend 5 minutes on an email, and get 1 out of 3 writing back to me. You get 3 out of 1000. </p>
<p>That tells me that either your emails aren&#8217;t very good, your profile isn&#8217;t very good, or you&#8217;re overestimating the kind of women you can get. I&#8217;m guessing it&#8217;s all 3.</p>
<p>Your solution is <strong><a href="http://www.evanmarckatz.com/products/finding-the-one-online.php" rel="nofollow">here</a></strong> &#8211; if you actually want to do something different to get results, instead of complaining how much women suck.</p>
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		<title>By: evileddy</title>
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		<dc:creator>evileddy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Oct 2010 17:32:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Why should men put in any effort into the first message if the women they message put even less effort into replying or their profiles?
 
I send out 1000 emails with the exact same message and only get 3 replies.
 
Or I can spend 5 - 10 minutes on 1000 really good emails and only get 3 replies.
 
Same results with more time wasted right?
 
Women only look at the pics, the man&#039;s height, his financial worth and decide on that to reply or delete the opening email.
 
Absolutely absurd for us men to spend much time in the first opening email when the majority of them are just chucked aside with zero reply.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why should men put in any effort into the first message if the women they message put even less effort into replying or their profiles?<br />
 <br />
I send out 1000 emails with the exact same message and only get 3 replies.<br />
 <br />
Or I can spend 5 &#8211; 10 minutes on 1000 really good emails and only get 3 replies.<br />
 <br />
Same results with more time wasted right?<br />
 <br />
Women only look at the pics, the man&#8217;s height, his financial worth and decide on that to reply or delete the opening email.<br />
 <br />
Absolutely absurd for us men to spend much time in the first opening email when the majority of them are just chucked aside with zero reply.</p>
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		<title>By: Karl R</title>
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		<dc:creator>Karl R</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jun 2010 15:27:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;strong&gt;sayanta said:&lt;/strong&gt; (#29)
&lt;em&gt;&quot;I’ve contacted guys, and gotten  responses saying they want to meet up asap. The weird thing is- these same guys were ones that had ‘viewed’ my profile, [...] Is it me, or does that make no sense?&quot;&lt;/em&gt;

It makes perfect sense to me.

As a guy I viewed over 1,000 profiles initially and 100 per week after that. I initially wrote to several women per week, then trimmed it down to 1 or 2. I generally had about 25 women that I considered possibilities for future emails.

If woman was in that list of 25, I would be thrilled to be contacted by her. But since only the top few would get contacted each week, a woman could be on that list for weeks or months before I got around to contacting her.

If I viewed a woman&#039;s profile &lt;em&gt;without&lt;/em&gt; adding her to that list, it was probably because I didn&#039;t find anything in her profile to connect with. However, if she found something in my profile that she connected with, that was just as good.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>sayanta said:</strong> (#29)<br />
<em>&#8220;I’ve contacted guys, and gotten  responses saying they want to meet up asap. The weird thing is- these same guys were ones that had ‘viewed’ my profile, [...] Is it me, or does that make no sense?&#8221;</em></p>
<p>It makes perfect sense to me.</p>
<p>As a guy I viewed over 1,000 profiles initially and 100 per week after that. I initially wrote to several women per week, then trimmed it down to 1 or 2. I generally had about 25 women that I considered possibilities for future emails.</p>
<p>If woman was in that list of 25, I would be thrilled to be contacted by her. But since only the top few would get contacted each week, a woman could be on that list for weeks or months before I got around to contacting her.</p>
<p>If I viewed a woman&#8217;s profile <em>without</em> adding her to that list, it was probably because I didn&#8217;t find anything in her profile to connect with. However, if she found something in my profile that she connected with, that was just as good.</p>
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		<title>By: A-L</title>
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		<dc:creator>A-L</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jun 2010 03:31:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Here&#039;s &lt;a href=&quot;../should-women-write-to-men/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Evan&#039;s take&lt;/a&gt; on women sending out the initial e-mail in online dating.
 
&lt;strong&gt;Starthrower&lt;/strong&gt;, when you find that you don&#039;t like the caliber of guy writing to you, find the guys you&#039;re interested in.  Once you see that you&#039;re a reasonable fit for what he says he&#039;s looking for, e-mail him.  Not every guy will write back, but there&#039;s probably at least a 1 in 4 chance of him writing back (according to Cat&#039;s OK Cupid article), and quite likely better.  So then if you send out 4 e-mails a week, you&#039;re likely to have 1(or more)  good fish on the line no matter how many initial e-mails you get from the &quot;wrong&quot; guys.
 
As far as how relationships go based on who sends the initial e-mail...I e-mailed my fiance first.  He took it from there.  He did the rest of the initiations of other e-mails, phone conversations, dates, becoming exclusive, proposing, the whole nine yards.  So don&#039;t knock it &#039;til you try it. :)
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s <a href="../should-women-write-to-men/" rel="nofollow">Evan&#8217;s take</a> on women sending out the initial e-mail in online dating.<br />
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<strong>Starthrower</strong>, when you find that you don&#8217;t like the caliber of guy writing to you, find the guys you&#8217;re interested in.  Once you see that you&#8217;re a reasonable fit for what he says he&#8217;s looking for, e-mail him.  Not every guy will write back, but there&#8217;s probably at least a 1 in 4 chance of him writing back (according to Cat&#8217;s OK Cupid article), and quite likely better.  So then if you send out 4 e-mails a week, you&#8217;re likely to have 1(or more)  good fish on the line no matter how many initial e-mails you get from the &#8220;wrong&#8221; guys.<br />
 <br />
As far as how relationships go based on who sends the initial e-mail&#8230;I e-mailed my fiance first.  He took it from there.  He did the rest of the initiations of other e-mails, phone conversations, dates, becoming exclusive, proposing, the whole nine yards.  So don&#8217;t knock it &#8217;til you try it. <img src='http://www.evanmarckatz.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
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		<title>By: sayanta</title>
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		<dc:creator>sayanta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jun 2010 22:39:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Oh, BTDT, #28- 

I&#039;ve heard that too- that even if a woman initiates contact, it&#039;s usually when the guys initiate that things will actually go somewhere.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, BTDT, #28- </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve heard that too- that even if a woman initiates contact, it&#8217;s usually when the guys initiate that things will actually go somewhere.</p>
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		<title>By: sayanta</title>
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		<dc:creator>sayanta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jun 2010 22:15:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A-L, BTDT- 

Well, I&#039;ve contacted guys, and gotten  responses saying they want to meet up asap. The weird thing is- these same guys were ones that had &#039;viewed&#039; my profile, and didn&#039;t even bother to &#039;wink&#039; (not that I&#039;m a wink fan or anything). Is it me, or does that make no sense? Why, if they are interested (otherwise, I assume they would have ignored my e-mail, and not responded saying they want to chat and meetup asap), would they not make a move first? I don&#039;t know...I hope I&#039;m not going to have to do all the chasing in this online thing. 

*sigh*- this is why I always avoid online dating- see? My chill, positive vibe that I&#039;ve (kind of, a little) cultivated in the past few months is cracking already. 


EMK- dating hundreds of people...man, how&#039;d you DO it? You&#039;re strong dude. I&#039;m not. :-(     LOL]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A-L, BTDT- </p>
<p>Well, I&#8217;ve contacted guys, and gotten  responses saying they want to meet up asap. The weird thing is- these same guys were ones that had &#8216;viewed&#8217; my profile, and didn&#8217;t even bother to &#8216;wink&#8217; (not that I&#8217;m a wink fan or anything). Is it me, or does that make no sense? Why, if they are interested (otherwise, I assume they would have ignored my e-mail, and not responded saying they want to chat and meetup asap), would they not make a move first? I don&#8217;t know&#8230;I hope I&#8217;m not going to have to do all the chasing in this online thing. </p>
<p>*sigh*- this is why I always avoid online dating- see? My chill, positive vibe that I&#8217;ve (kind of, a little) cultivated in the past few months is cracking already. </p>
<p>EMK- dating hundreds of people&#8230;man, how&#8217;d you DO it? You&#8217;re strong dude. I&#8217;m not. <img src='http://www.evanmarckatz.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':-(' class='wp-smiley' />      LOL</p>
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