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		<title>By: Goldie</title>
		<link>http://www.evanmarckatz.com/blog/do-you-overestimate-yourself/comment-page-2/#comment-72905</link>
		<dc:creator>Goldie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jun 2010 19:21:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Liz #94, my oldest son was in 4th grade, and was having trouble getting along with his classmates. Because he&#039;d been identified as gifted, I thought he might benefit from going to Mensa events. Since he couldn&#039;t join himself b/c you have to be 14 to join, I joined instead, so I could bring him to events as family member. That&#039;s the reason I joined; cannot speak for everyone on this thread. It did work for me as a social network, but that was a by-product - my main reason for joining was to try and see if my son would benefit.
 
BTW from what I know it&#039;s considered bad form to mention your membership in public, and a bad move to put it on your resume - the latter is actually a good way to ensure you won&#039;t get the job ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Liz #94, my oldest son was in 4th grade, and was having trouble getting along with his classmates. Because he&#8217;d been identified as gifted, I thought he might benefit from going to Mensa events. Since he couldn&#8217;t join himself b/c you have to be 14 to join, I joined instead, so I could bring him to events as family member. That&#8217;s the reason I joined; cannot speak for everyone on this thread. It did work for me as a social network, but that was a by-product &#8211; my main reason for joining was to try and see if my son would benefit.<br />
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BTW from what I know it&#8217;s considered bad form to mention your membership in public, and a bad move to put it on your resume &#8211; the latter is actually a good way to ensure you won&#8217;t get the job <img src='http://www.evanmarckatz.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Liz</title>
		<link>http://www.evanmarckatz.com/blog/do-you-overestimate-yourself/comment-page-2/#comment-72554</link>
		<dc:creator>Liz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jun 2010 20:46:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why would anyone seek out a MENSA membership?? Do you hope to put it on your resume? Is it something to reference if someone challenges your intellect? Is it a social network through which you meet other intellectuals? That one actually makes sense...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why would anyone seek out a MENSA membership?? Do you hope to put it on your resume? Is it something to reference if someone challenges your intellect? Is it a social network through which you meet other intellectuals? That one actually makes sense&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Goldie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Goldie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jun 2010 19:42:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just wanted to add a comment based on personal experience. From what I&#039;ve seen, a Mensa membership is &lt;strong&gt;not&lt;/strong&gt; an automatic 9 or 10 in intelligence, not by a long shot. I took my teenage sons to the Annual Gathering last summer. They were highly unimpressed with the general public. They each went to 2-3 programs each day, and socialized some in the hospitality room, so they got enough exposure to form their opinions.
Yeah, I&#039;m a member, and my both kids qualify according to their school test results. No, I&#039;m not going to rate myself. IMO rating is subjective anyway. In my age group, geographical location, and social group (Midwest geeks in their 40s) I may be a full ten in looks, but bring me to any beauty pageant, or, heck, into a group of women half my age, and watch me drop to a 2 or 3.
There should be ways to gauge yourself, as well as the people you&#039;re considering dating - I just don&#039;t know exactly what they are, and I think this quiz probably isn&#039;t one of them - like I said before, too subjective.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just wanted to add a comment based on personal experience. From what I&#8217;ve seen, a Mensa membership is <strong>not</strong> an automatic 9 or 10 in intelligence, not by a long shot. I took my teenage sons to the Annual Gathering last summer. They were highly unimpressed with the general public. They each went to 2-3 programs each day, and socialized some in the hospitality room, so they got enough exposure to form their opinions.<br />
Yeah, I&#8217;m a member, and my both kids qualify according to their school test results. No, I&#8217;m not going to rate myself. IMO rating is subjective anyway. In my age group, geographical location, and social group (Midwest geeks in their 40s) I may be a full ten in looks, but bring me to any beauty pageant, or, heck, into a group of women half my age, and watch me drop to a 2 or 3.<br />
There should be ways to gauge yourself, as well as the people you&#8217;re considering dating &#8211; I just don&#8217;t know exactly what they are, and I think this quiz probably isn&#8217;t one of them &#8211; like I said before, too subjective.<br />
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		<title>By: starthrower68</title>
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		<dc:creator>starthrower68</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jun 2010 16:27:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ok this looks like a fun quiz:

Looks - 3; I have a pretty face and hair but from the neck down, no.

Intelligence - 8.  

Career - 6; I&#039;m employed by the State of Illinois which was once governed by George Ryan and Rod Blagojevich.  I&#039;m out of the clerical sphere and into the lower-t0-middle level management but I still haven&#039;t cracked $50K a year.

Personality - 9.  I&#039;m only basing that on what my friends tell me.

That 3 though; that&#039;s a real killer.  Oh well.  It is what it is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok this looks like a fun quiz:</p>
<p>Looks &#8211; 3; I have a pretty face and hair but from the neck down, no.</p>
<p>Intelligence &#8211; 8.  </p>
<p>Career &#8211; 6; I&#8217;m employed by the State of Illinois which was once governed by George Ryan and Rod Blagojevich.  I&#8217;m out of the clerical sphere and into the lower-t0-middle level management but I still haven&#8217;t cracked $50K a year.</p>
<p>Personality &#8211; 9.  I&#8217;m only basing that on what my friends tell me.</p>
<p>That 3 though; that&#8217;s a real killer.  Oh well.  It is what it is.</p>
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		<title>By: Are We Stuck In Our &#8220;Cute-agory&#8221; Forever? &#171; The Adventures of Emily Legend</title>
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		<dc:creator>Are We Stuck In Our &#8220;Cute-agory&#8221; Forever? &#171; The Adventures of Emily Legend</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jul 2008 08:44:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] read Honey and Lance&#8217;s story about rank and they pointed me to Evan Marc Katz&#8217;s article based on the NYT&#8217;s Freakonomics Blog. Their theory is we rank ourselves higher than [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] read Honey and Lance&#8217;s story about rank and they pointed me to Evan Marc Katz&#8217;s article based on the NYT&#8217;s Freakonomics Blog. Their theory is we rank ourselves higher than [...]</p>
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		<title>By: m</title>
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		<dc:creator>m</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jul 2008 16:15:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;&quot;the BF tried to drop his Mensa membership into conversation once, I think during a job interview, and the person didn&#039;t know what it was. So then he had to explain, and it got all awkward. There&#039;s definitely a time and a place (and honestly, that place is almost never).&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

Definitely about gauging one&#039;s audience, and THAT&#039;S about &quot;social intelligence.&quot;  (Which, I notice, is one of the things here NOT being &quot;ranked&quot;.)

I did it once (mentioned my MENSA membership - hey; the guy &lt;i&gt;asked&lt;/i&gt; me) after I was invited to join in grad school, on a date.  The guy was a PhD and attorney, so I figured it was not a big deal.  Never heard from him again.

So never mentioned it on a date again either (among other &quot;social intelligence&quot; lessons from that particular statistical random sample).

I think there&#039;s another thread altogether in here about which &quot;rankings&quot; are relatively VALUED by either gender, but we&#039;ve got several topics in here already and as important as I think it, I have no intention to unduly derail.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8220;the BF tried to drop his Mensa membership into conversation once, I think during a job interview, and the person didn&#8217;t know what it was. So then he had to explain, and it got all awkward. There&#8217;s definitely a time and a place (and honestly, that place is almost never).&#8221;</i></p>
<p>Definitely about gauging one&#8217;s audience, and THAT&#8217;S about &#8220;social intelligence.&#8221;  (Which, I notice, is one of the things here NOT being &#8220;ranked&#8221;.)</p>
<p>I did it once (mentioned my MENSA membership &#8211; hey; the guy <i>asked</i> me) after I was invited to join in grad school, on a date.  The guy was a PhD and attorney, so I figured it was not a big deal.  Never heard from him again.</p>
<p>So never mentioned it on a date again either (among other &#8220;social intelligence&#8221; lessons from that particular statistical random sample).</p>
<p>I think there&#8217;s another thread altogether in here about which &#8220;rankings&#8221; are relatively VALUED by either gender, but we&#8217;ve got several topics in here already and as important as I think it, I have no intention to unduly derail.</p>
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		<title>By: A-L</title>
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		<dc:creator>A-L</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jul 2008 04:27:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve been away, so please pardon the late reply.

Looks: 5-6  I&#039;m average to slightly above average in appearance, though when I take greater care (ie, makeup, hair, etc) then I&#039;m more like a 7.  On facestat 2 out of 3 pictures qualified as good looking, and 1 as not bad.

Intelligence: 9  In school I was in the gifted program which required an IQ of at least 130 (ie, 98th percentile).  Of course, I can always become more knowledgeable, but I have a good brain with which to work.

Personality: 7-8  I&#039;m tactful and get along with most everyone, but it takes me awhile before I warm up to people enough to let them see the more fun, witty, and lively me.  

Career: 6  As a teacher I&#039;m in a professional field that earns relatively little money.  But when compared with national medians for a family of 4...then it looks like I&#039;m raking in the big bucks.

The guys I&#039;ve dated:

Looks: 4-7
Intelligence: 6-10
Personality: 5-9
Career: 5-10

Of these 4 categories intelligence &amp; personality issues are the top reasons why I&#039;ve broken up with guys, followed by looks, and last career.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been away, so please pardon the late reply.</p>
<p>Looks: 5-6  I&#8217;m average to slightly above average in appearance, though when I take greater care (ie, makeup, hair, etc) then I&#8217;m more like a 7.  On facestat 2 out of 3 pictures qualified as good looking, and 1 as not bad.</p>
<p>Intelligence: 9  In school I was in the gifted program which required an IQ of at least 130 (ie, 98th percentile).  Of course, I can always become more knowledgeable, but I have a good brain with which to work.</p>
<p>Personality: 7-8  I&#8217;m tactful and get along with most everyone, but it takes me awhile before I warm up to people enough to let them see the more fun, witty, and lively me.  </p>
<p>Career: 6  As a teacher I&#8217;m in a professional field that earns relatively little money.  But when compared with national medians for a family of 4&#8230;then it looks like I&#8217;m raking in the big bucks.</p>
<p>The guys I&#8217;ve dated:</p>
<p>Looks: 4-7<br />
Intelligence: 6-10<br />
Personality: 5-9<br />
Career: 5-10</p>
<p>Of these 4 categories intelligence &amp; personality issues are the top reasons why I&#8217;ve broken up with guys, followed by looks, and last career.</p>
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		<title>By: schlockdoc</title>
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		<dc:creator>schlockdoc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jul 2008 02:45:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To Ben (#86):

I bet most women know their &#039;looks rating&#039; pretty well (whether they want to admit it or not), whereas I bet most men don&#039;t have a clue.

That&#039;s because you can pretty well gauge the impression you&#039;re making by the guys coming on to you.

For men it&#039;s a little trickier because women don&#039;t pursue men as rabidly, and when they do they&#039;re more subtle about it and don&#039;t typically choose their targets strictly on the basis of appearance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To Ben (#86):</p>
<p>I bet most women know their &#8216;looks rating&#8217; pretty well (whether they want to admit it or not), whereas I bet most men don&#8217;t have a clue.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s because you can pretty well gauge the impression you&#8217;re making by the guys coming on to you.</p>
<p>For men it&#8217;s a little trickier because women don&#8217;t pursue men as rabidly, and when they do they&#8217;re more subtle about it and don&#8217;t typically choose their targets strictly on the basis of appearance.</p>
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		<title>By: hunter</title>
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		<dc:creator>hunter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jul 2008 14:53:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>to the rev on post #85

I have been told, women with low self esteem get into relationships at a young age and stay there.  Most don&#039;t realize what they have done, until they turn 40 or 50 years of age.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>to the rev on post #85</p>
<p>I have been told, women with low self esteem get into relationships at a young age and stay there.  Most don&#8217;t realize what they have done, until they turn 40 or 50 years of age.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jul 2008 21:39:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This article claims the opposite, that people UNDER rate themselves:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1036795/The-beauty-prescription-Why-20-cent-attractive-think-are.html

Perhaps it&#039;s true for women with body dysmorphia, but i&#039;m not sure it&#039;s true for men.  Who knows.

It actually doesn&#039;t look any more scientific than the freakonomics post. I&#039;d love to see the actual &#039;research&#039; which they cite.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This article claims the opposite, that people UNDER rate themselves:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1036795/The-beauty-prescription-Why-20-cent-attractive-think-are.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1036795/The-beauty-prescription-Why-20-cent-attractive-think-are.html</a></p>
<p>Perhaps it&#8217;s true for women with body dysmorphia, but i&#8217;m not sure it&#8217;s true for men.  Who knows.</p>
<p>It actually doesn&#8217;t look any more scientific than the freakonomics post. I&#8217;d love to see the actual &#8216;research&#8217; which they cite.</p>
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