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		<title>By: JB</title>
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		<dc:creator>JB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Mar 2012 15:23:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yeah Karl, thanks for chiming in I always value your insight. Honestly in my adult life that had never happened to me before maybe because I&#039;ve always taken careful precaution to not let it or ever be near that type of situation. I&#039;m not talking about the cute girl you had a crush on in high school that you were sitting across from at some party and she didn&#039;t know you existed. Or in your case a girl at the dance or whatever. Of course that&#039;s happened to every one.

And the attraction imbalance....yeah I&#039;m not able to accept that in my life right now as I told her &quot;it&#039;s not only not conducive to me finding a real girlfriend, it&#039;s &quot;counter productive&quot; and she understood. It&#039;s not fair to all the current women I&#039;m meeting on Match to have HER on my mind and in my heart. That&#039;s where she would be if we continued to &quot;hang out&quot;. Not to mention you feel that she&#039;s pitty&#039;ing you as she&#039;s sitting across from you knowing that she&#039;s happy and has a new boyfriend and I&#039;m some chode fawning over her etc..... I couldn&#039;t even concentrate on what we were talking about because I didn&#039;t think it was authentic.

I didn&#039;t mean to hijack the thread or get off topic I just know that the people on here are the best in the world at helping us all understand different perspectives and I had nowhere else to turn. I value your guys opinions even if I don&#039;t agree with them.

I&#039;ve got a couple of dates lined up and no they won&#039;t be &quot;like her&quot; but I&#039;ll go on them with an open mind and give them a chance. :-)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah Karl, thanks for chiming in I always value your insight. Honestly in my adult life that had never happened to me before maybe because I&#8217;ve always taken careful precaution to not let it or ever be near that type of situation. I&#8217;m not talking about the cute girl you had a crush on in high school that you were sitting across from at some party and she didn&#8217;t know you existed. Or in your case a girl at the dance or whatever. Of course that&#8217;s happened to every one.</p>
<p>And the attraction imbalance&#8230;.yeah I&#8217;m not able to accept that in my life right now as I told her &#8220;it&#8217;s not only not conducive to me finding a real girlfriend, it&#8217;s &#8220;counter productive&#8221; and she understood. It&#8217;s not fair to all the current women I&#8217;m meeting on Match to have HER on my mind and in my heart. That&#8217;s where she would be if we continued to &#8220;hang out&#8221;. Not to mention you feel that she&#8217;s pitty&#8217;ing you as she&#8217;s sitting across from you knowing that she&#8217;s happy and has a new boyfriend and I&#8217;m some chode fawning over her etc&#8230;.. I couldn&#8217;t even concentrate on what we were talking about because I didn&#8217;t think it was authentic.</p>
<p>I didn&#8217;t mean to hijack the thread or get off topic I just know that the people on here are the best in the world at helping us all understand different perspectives and I had nowhere else to turn. I value your guys opinions even if I don&#8217;t agree with them.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve got a couple of dates lined up and no they won&#8217;t be &#8220;like her&#8221; but I&#8217;ll go on them with an open mind and give them a chance. <img src='http://www.evanmarckatz.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Karl R</title>
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		<dc:creator>Karl R</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Mar 2012 18:58:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;strong&gt;JB said:&lt;/strong&gt; (#26)
&lt;em&gt;&quot;I felt so emasculated. I had never sat across from a woman I was so attracted to knowing she felt nothing for me before. It was excruciating.&quot;&lt;/em&gt;

You&#039;re 40-something, and this has &lt;em&gt;never&lt;/em&gt; happened to you before?

For most of us, that&#039;s been a normal part of our lives since we were teenagers. It&#039;s not an everyday thing, but it&#039;s happened more times than I could conveniently count. I don&#039;t find it emasculating or painful. It&#039;s just mildly disappointing.

&lt;strong&gt;JB said:&lt;/strong&gt; (#26)
&lt;em&gt;&quot;For the record I know that men and woman can just be friends but not when there’s that massive attraction imbalance because it’s only going to cause the the person who’s interested in more that friendship pain.&quot;&lt;/em&gt;

I&#039;m friends with a number of women where there&#039;s an attraction imbalance (in either direction). It works just fine if the person (who is attracted) is able to accept that the other person does not want more than friendship.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>JB said:</strong> (#26)<br />
<em>&#8220;I felt so emasculated. I had never sat across from a woman I was so attracted to knowing she felt nothing for me before. It was excruciating.&#8221;</em></p>
<p>You&#8217;re 40-something, and this has <em>never</em> happened to you before?</p>
<p>For most of us, that&#8217;s been a normal part of our lives since we were teenagers. It&#8217;s not an everyday thing, but it&#8217;s happened more times than I could conveniently count. I don&#8217;t find it emasculating or painful. It&#8217;s just mildly disappointing.</p>
<p><strong>JB said:</strong> (#26)<br />
<em>&#8220;For the record I know that men and woman can just be friends but not when there’s that massive attraction imbalance because it’s only going to cause the the person who’s interested in more that friendship pain.&#8221;</em></p>
<p>I&#8217;m friends with a number of women where there&#8217;s an attraction imbalance (in either direction). It works just fine if the person (who is attracted) is able to accept that the other person does not want more than friendship.</p>
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		<title>By: JB</title>
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		<dc:creator>JB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Mar 2012 14:39:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well sadly I learned a very valuable lesson. After 13 days of no contact between us (pretty much over in my mind)out of the blue she texts me and says &quot;Hi,hope you had a good week. Enjoy the beautiful weather&quot;. Well of course the idiot that I am thinking that it might be a sign of change of mind or situation can&#039;t just ignore it or say &quot;you too&quot; so I text back &quot;Hope all is well, if you ever feel like getting together let me know&quot;. (I&#039;m a glutton for punishment...lol) She immediately texts back &quot;how bout tomorrow?&quot; So now I&#039;m delusionally thinking ....maybe???
 
Well after a couple of hours of very uncomfortable(to me) but pleasant conversation (where by the way she NEVER mentions her new guy) at a TGIF&#039;s and finally finding out she was divorced twice and dumped pregnant at 17 by her fiance&#039; we left with a couple of friend hugs. I felt so emasculated. I had never sat across from a woman I was so attracted to knowing she felt nothing for me before. It was excruciating. (Something I&#039;ll never knowingly do again by the way.) I couldn&#039;t help thinking about the line in the Whitesnake song &quot;The sun shining, but it&#039;s raining in my heart&quot;. I was very sad and angry not at her but at myself for putting myself in such a situation just &quot;to see what would happen&quot;. 
I emailed her the next day and said basically &quot;this hanging out thing isn&#039;t what I&#039;m looking for thank you and goodbye but can you please just answer this for me&quot;. Why a woman who just met a guy on Match she takes her profile down for after only being on 3 weeks needs to hangout platonically with another man?&lt;em&gt; 

My question to all of you is isn&#039;t the new boyfriend supposed to be fulfilling that basic need of friendship and companionship especially at the beginning or am I crazy? I would hope if it were me I would that&#039;s for sure! You know this isn&#039;t my first rodeo,I&#039;ve only been dating 33 yrs. What do I know? Not enough, that&#039;s for sure... :-(&lt;/em&gt;
 
In her return email all she could say was &quot;I&#039;ve always had male friends so I didn&#039;t think it would be an issue&quot;. You didn&#039;t think it would be an issue? Really?? This woman is a solid &quot;9&quot;. She&#039;s 47 and could pass for 40. I can&#039;t believe that she&#039;s had a lot of men that JUST wanted to be her &quot;friend&quot; and it&#039;s never caused any drama in her twice divorced life. You just met a guy on Match you really really like and you need and have time for &quot;this&quot;? I wonder how he&#039;d feel about it IF he knew. Let&#039;s reverse it.....truthfully ladies, how many women on this blog if they just met a guy online they really like and took their profile down for would have no problem with their guy &quot;hanging out with smokin hot woman chatting&quot; and paying for the date just so he could have a new &quot;friend&quot;? This isn&#039;t an old woman friend from before he met you. This is another Match competitor he may have met even after you but before you were solid. I thought the whole object of &quot;taking your profile down&quot; was that you wouldn&#039;t be seeing other people?
 
For the record I know that men and woman can just be friends but not when there&#039;s that massive attraction imbalance because it&#039;s only going to cause the the person who&#039;s interested in more that friendship pain. The person with the power can really care less because they&#039;re not emotionally attached to the outcome of losing a so called &quot;friend&quot; anymore than this woman was.
 
My initial reaction to all this WAS the correct one. When I just said thank you for being honest and good luck on the phone the first time but I couldn&#039;t let it go. I would&#039;ve never forgave myself for not at least trying even if it hurt......and it did a lot.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well sadly I learned a very valuable lesson. After 13 days of no contact between us (pretty much over in my mind)out of the blue she texts me and says &#8220;Hi,hope you had a good week. Enjoy the beautiful weather&#8221;. Well of course the idiot that I am thinking that it might be a sign of change of mind or situation can&#8217;t just ignore it or say &#8220;you too&#8221; so I text back &#8220;Hope all is well, if you ever feel like getting together let me know&#8221;. (I&#8217;m a glutton for punishment&#8230;lol) She immediately texts back &#8220;how bout tomorrow?&#8221; So now I&#8217;m delusionally thinking &#8230;.maybe???<br />
 <br />
Well after a couple of hours of very uncomfortable(to me) but pleasant conversation (where by the way she NEVER mentions her new guy) at a TGIF&#8217;s and finally finding out she was divorced twice and dumped pregnant at 17 by her fiance&#8217; we left with a couple of friend hugs. I felt so emasculated. I had never sat across from a woman I was so attracted to knowing she felt nothing for me before. It was excruciating. (Something I&#8217;ll never knowingly do again by the way.) I couldn&#8217;t help thinking about the line in the Whitesnake song &#8220;The sun shining, but it&#8217;s raining in my heart&#8221;. I was very sad and angry not at her but at myself for putting myself in such a situation just &#8220;to see what would happen&#8221;.<br />
I emailed her the next day and said basically &#8220;this hanging out thing isn&#8217;t what I&#8217;m looking for thank you and goodbye but can you please just answer this for me&#8221;. Why a woman who just met a guy on Match she takes her profile down for after only being on 3 weeks needs to hangout platonically with another man?<em> </p>
<p>My question to all of you is isn&#8217;t the new boyfriend supposed to be fulfilling that basic need of friendship and companionship especially at the beginning or am I crazy? I would hope if it were me I would that&#8217;s for sure! You know this isn&#8217;t my first rodeo,I&#8217;ve only been dating 33 yrs. What do I know? Not enough, that&#8217;s for sure&#8230; <img src='http://www.evanmarckatz.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':-(' class='wp-smiley' /> </em><br />
 <br />
In her return email all she could say was &#8220;I&#8217;ve always had male friends so I didn&#8217;t think it would be an issue&#8221;. You didn&#8217;t think it would be an issue? Really?? This woman is a solid &#8220;9&#8243;. She&#8217;s 47 and could pass for 40. I can&#8217;t believe that she&#8217;s had a lot of men that JUST wanted to be her &#8220;friend&#8221; and it&#8217;s never caused any drama in her twice divorced life. You just met a guy on Match you really really like and you need and have time for &#8220;this&#8221;? I wonder how he&#8217;d feel about it IF he knew. Let&#8217;s reverse it&#8230;..truthfully ladies, how many women on this blog if they just met a guy online they really like and took their profile down for would have no problem with their guy &#8220;hanging out with smokin hot woman chatting&#8221; and paying for the date just so he could have a new &#8220;friend&#8221;? This isn&#8217;t an old woman friend from before he met you. This is another Match competitor he may have met even after you but before you were solid. I thought the whole object of &#8220;taking your profile down&#8221; was that you wouldn&#8217;t be seeing other people?<br />
 <br />
For the record I know that men and woman can just be friends but not when there&#8217;s that massive attraction imbalance because it&#8217;s only going to cause the the person who&#8217;s interested in more that friendship pain. The person with the power can really care less because they&#8217;re not emotionally attached to the outcome of losing a so called &#8220;friend&#8221; anymore than this woman was.<br />
 <br />
My initial reaction to all this WAS the correct one. When I just said thank you for being honest and good luck on the phone the first time but I couldn&#8217;t let it go. I would&#8217;ve never forgave myself for not at least trying even if it hurt&#8230;&#8230;and it did a lot.</p>
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		<title>By: SalsaQ</title>
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		<dc:creator>SalsaQ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Mar 2012 22:28:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Karl R and @Michael17
 
You read too much into what I was saying. My point is it is not a good idea to cancel a date at the last minute just because you are not at your best. I am not saying put on your rude face and revel in it to test your date, or that you should not work to shake off your mood.  I am saying that seeing if my date can deal with a less than perfect mood is not such a bad thing.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Karl R and @Michael17<br />
 <br />
You read too much into what I was saying. My point is it is not a good idea to cancel a date at the last minute just because you are not at your best. I am not saying put on your rude face and revel in it to test your date, or that you should not work to shake off your mood.  I am saying that seeing if my date can deal with a less than perfect mood is not such a bad thing.</p>
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		<title>By: Karl R</title>
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		<dc:creator>Karl R</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Mar 2012 16:58:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;strong&gt;SalsaQ said:&lt;/strong&gt; (#16)
&lt;em&gt;&quot;Suppose he never sees you down or angry or less than your best until date five?  Would you rather find out then he will not put up with anything besides your most cheerful and together self, or would you rather find out on date one?&quot;&lt;/em&gt;

I expect &lt;em&gt;any&lt;/em&gt; adult to be capable of putting their best foot forward. If I&#039;m in a serious relationship, eventually she will meet my boss, my friends, my family. I want her to be capable of being acceptable company even if she&#039;s had a horrible day up to that point. It&#039;s a &lt;em&gt;basic skill&lt;/em&gt; for anyone who holds a professional job.

Certain kinds of behavior are okay on a first date. Shy, quiet or flustered will get a break. Terse, rude or an awful mood probably won&#039;t.

&lt;strong&gt;SalsaQ said:&lt;/strong&gt; (#14)
&lt;em&gt;&quot;I have dated men who spent time with me anyway when I was in an awful mood, and they listened, and were sympathetic, maybe brought a little fun into the outing anyway, won gold stars, and asked me out again.&quot;&lt;/em&gt;

If you are having an off day, you&#039;re at your date&#039;s mercy. He can either write you off immediately, or he can give you a break. The choice is &lt;em&gt;his&lt;/em&gt;. You can&#039;t make him give you a break, no matter how much you believe you deserve one.

If you want to empower &lt;em&gt;your&lt;/em&gt; dating, then you need to look for opportunities to give your date a break. This rule is true whether you are a man or a woman. You can give your date a second chance regardless of how little they deserve it. &lt;em&gt;You&lt;/em&gt; get the gold stars. &lt;em&gt;You&lt;/em&gt; get the second date which wouldn&#039;t otherwise have happened.

If you come across poorly on a first date, you&#039;ll probably have to shrug it off and move on, because 90% of the men/women out there won&#039;t give you a break. But if your date comes across poorly on the first date, you can choose to be the exception 100% of the time.

The difference, SalsaQ, is you&#039;re looking at what &lt;em&gt;your date&lt;/em&gt; could do differently. I succeeded by looking at what &lt;em&gt;I&lt;/em&gt; could do differently.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>SalsaQ said:</strong> (#16)<br />
<em>&#8220;Suppose he never sees you down or angry or less than your best until date five?  Would you rather find out then he will not put up with anything besides your most cheerful and together self, or would you rather find out on date one?&#8221;</em></p>
<p>I expect <em>any</em> adult to be capable of putting their best foot forward. If I&#8217;m in a serious relationship, eventually she will meet my boss, my friends, my family. I want her to be capable of being acceptable company even if she&#8217;s had a horrible day up to that point. It&#8217;s a <em>basic skill</em> for anyone who holds a professional job.</p>
<p>Certain kinds of behavior are okay on a first date. Shy, quiet or flustered will get a break. Terse, rude or an awful mood probably won&#8217;t.</p>
<p><strong>SalsaQ said:</strong> (#14)<br />
<em>&#8220;I have dated men who spent time with me anyway when I was in an awful mood, and they listened, and were sympathetic, maybe brought a little fun into the outing anyway, won gold stars, and asked me out again.&#8221;</em></p>
<p>If you are having an off day, you&#8217;re at your date&#8217;s mercy. He can either write you off immediately, or he can give you a break. The choice is <em>his</em>. You can&#8217;t make him give you a break, no matter how much you believe you deserve one.</p>
<p>If you want to empower <em>your</em> dating, then you need to look for opportunities to give your date a break. This rule is true whether you are a man or a woman. You can give your date a second chance regardless of how little they deserve it. <em>You</em> get the gold stars. <em>You</em> get the second date which wouldn&#8217;t otherwise have happened.</p>
<p>If you come across poorly on a first date, you&#8217;ll probably have to shrug it off and move on, because 90% of the men/women out there won&#8217;t give you a break. But if your date comes across poorly on the first date, you can choose to be the exception 100% of the time.</p>
<p>The difference, SalsaQ, is you&#8217;re looking at what <em>your date</em> could do differently. I succeeded by looking at what <em>I</em> could do differently.</p>
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		<title>By: JB</title>
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		<dc:creator>JB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Mar 2012 22:15:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Kenley.... If things didn&#039;t &quot;work out&quot; with the other guy I&#039;m sure her profile would be back up considering she paid for 6 months and took it down at the 3 week mark after meeting me and just 3 other guys. She hasn&#039;t even logged into her Match acct. since she told me about &quot;him&quot;. If her profile was back up then I would know she was back looking even though it wouldn&#039;t mean a thing for me other than better closure.

And really does anyone in this day and age have that kind of time where you&#039;d want to &quot;hang out&quot; with somone of the opposite sex who you aren&#039;t attracted to and you&#039;d just had 1 meet &amp; greet date with?? I know I&#039;m entertaining and all but come on. I know I certainly wouldn&#039;t be &quot;hanging out&quot; with let alone paying for a woman I wasn&#039;t attracted to and I don&#039;t know any men that would either. Especially if I&#039;d just met some other woman that I took my profile down for!! I went through with it all because 1. to me she&#039;s adorable and 2. I thought for sure she&#039;d cancel right up until the time of the date. I kept waiting for THAT text...LOL

@Joe.....no I thought it was more because I&#039;d paid for the our first &quot;meet &amp; greet&quot; like every guy in the world does for the most part so this was her way of making it &quot;even&quot; and not feeling guilty. Very nice of her but I guess she never got the memo that if you&#039;re not into someone it&#039;s just best to say it directly if even in an email the day after a &quot;meet &amp; greet&quot; instead of dragging it out etc..... by accepting dates, canceling them, making hang out &quot;non&quot; dates and paying for them. She doesn&#039;t owe me anything, I spent 27 dollars....lol hardly steak &amp; lobster. Obviously she doesn&#039;t know &quot;the rules&quot; we&#039;ve all set for the world on this blog!

None of this by the way has kept me from doing anything the last month. I&#039;ve been emailing and meeting others just like I normally would. Sadly..... I can&#039;t get HER out of my head but I will with time. Even with all I know and have learned it&#039;s hard to erase the memory or not think there&#039;s a tiny glimmer of &quot;hope&quot;......... :-)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Kenley&#8230;. If things didn&#8217;t &#8220;work out&#8221; with the other guy I&#8217;m sure her profile would be back up considering she paid for 6 months and took it down at the 3 week mark after meeting me and just 3 other guys. She hasn&#8217;t even logged into her Match acct. since she told me about &#8220;him&#8221;. If her profile was back up then I would know she was back looking even though it wouldn&#8217;t mean a thing for me other than better closure.</p>
<p>And really does anyone in this day and age have that kind of time where you&#8217;d want to &#8220;hang out&#8221; with somone of the opposite sex who you aren&#8217;t attracted to and you&#8217;d just had 1 meet &amp; greet date with?? I know I&#8217;m entertaining and all but come on. I know I certainly wouldn&#8217;t be &#8220;hanging out&#8221; with let alone paying for a woman I wasn&#8217;t attracted to and I don&#8217;t know any men that would either. Especially if I&#8217;d just met some other woman that I took my profile down for!! I went through with it all because 1. to me she&#8217;s adorable and 2. I thought for sure she&#8217;d cancel right up until the time of the date. I kept waiting for THAT text&#8230;LOL</p>
<p>@Joe&#8230;..no I thought it was more because I&#8217;d paid for the our first &#8220;meet &amp; greet&#8221; like every guy in the world does for the most part so this was her way of making it &#8220;even&#8221; and not feeling guilty. Very nice of her but I guess she never got the memo that if you&#8217;re not into someone it&#8217;s just best to say it directly if even in an email the day after a &#8220;meet &amp; greet&#8221; instead of dragging it out etc&#8230;.. by accepting dates, canceling them, making hang out &#8220;non&#8221; dates and paying for them. She doesn&#8217;t owe me anything, I spent 27 dollars&#8230;.lol hardly steak &amp; lobster. Obviously she doesn&#8217;t know &#8220;the rules&#8221; we&#8217;ve all set for the world on this blog!</p>
<p>None of this by the way has kept me from doing anything the last month. I&#8217;ve been emailing and meeting others just like I normally would. Sadly&#8230;.. I can&#8217;t get HER out of my head but I will with time. Even with all I know and have learned it&#8217;s hard to erase the memory or not think there&#8217;s a tiny glimmer of &#8220;hope&#8221;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230; <img src='http://www.evanmarckatz.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Michael17</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael17</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Mar 2012 21:43:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[SalsaQ #12:
 
I&#039;m not sure I agree. As I said in #17, not looking as &quot;made up&quot; as you would like is one thing, but showing up acting rudely is another. Even if you &quot;explain what is bothering you&quot;. The &quot;right guy&quot; will not put up with it, just as the &quot;right woman&quot; will put up with a guy who is boring on the first date.
 
Women are looking for chemistry and connection, even on the first date. Quality women are too. Why can&#039;t quality men be looking for the same thing as well? To be &quot;quality&quot; we have to put up with your &quot;somewhat bad&quot; mood on a first date?
 
I&#039;m not sure if this is what you intended, but your post smacked of &quot;feminine entitlement&quot;.
 
 
 
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I&#8217;m not sure I agree. As I said in #17, not looking as &#8220;made up&#8221; as you would like is one thing, but showing up acting rudely is another. Even if you &#8220;explain what is bothering you&#8221;. The &#8220;right guy&#8221; will not put up with it, just as the &#8220;right woman&#8221; will put up with a guy who is boring on the first date.<br />
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Women are looking for chemistry and connection, even on the first date. Quality women are too. Why can&#8217;t quality men be looking for the same thing as well? To be &#8220;quality&#8221; we have to put up with your &#8220;somewhat bad&#8221; mood on a first date?<br />
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I&#8217;m not sure if this is what you intended, but your post smacked of &#8220;feminine entitlement&#8221;.<br />
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Mar 2012 19:27:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I dunno...paying for JB sounds to me more date-ish than if they&#039;d said, &quot;You pay for you, I&#039;ll pay for me.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I dunno&#8230;paying for JB sounds to me more date-ish than if they&#8217;d said, &#8220;You pay for you, I&#8217;ll pay for me.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: K</title>
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		<dc:creator>K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Mar 2012 18:41:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I agree with Kenley.  If I could have hung out as friends with the last several guys I ended things with I would have (and paid).  I enjoyed their company, but didn&#039;t want to date them.  I didn&#039;t though raise that issue with them.  And who knows maybe something could have developed in a non-pressure hanging out environment.  Unfortunately after a few dates if I can&#039;t get the right vibe I don&#039;t like to lead people on.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Kenley.  If I could have hung out as friends with the last several guys I ended things with I would have (and paid).  I enjoyed their company, but didn&#8217;t want to date them.  I didn&#8217;t though raise that issue with them.  And who knows maybe something could have developed in a non-pressure hanging out environment.  Unfortunately after a few dates if I can&#8217;t get the right vibe I don&#8217;t like to lead people on.</p>
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		<title>By: kenley</title>
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		<dc:creator>kenley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Mar 2012 17:55:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@18 JB

I think she hung out with you because she likes you -- as a friend.  She paid because she wanted to make it clear to you that the two of you weren&#039;t on a date, you were just spending time with a friend.   


She also may have hung out with you because she wanted to enjoy the company of a man without the pressure of dating.  Things may not have worked out with the other guy but she probably didn&#039;t want to tell you that because she doesn&#039;t see a romantic future with you and letting you know that she&#039;s back on the market might get your hopes up. 

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@18 JB</p>
<p>I think she hung out with you because she likes you &#8212; as a friend.  She paid because she wanted to make it clear to you that the two of you weren&#8217;t on a date, you were just spending time with a friend.   </p>
<p>She also may have hung out with you because she wanted to enjoy the company of a man without the pressure of dating.  Things may not have worked out with the other guy but she probably didn&#8217;t want to tell you that because she doesn&#8217;t see a romantic future with you and letting you know that she&#8217;s back on the market might get your hopes up. </p>
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