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	<title>Comments on: I&#8217;m in a Relationship With a Great Guy Who Just Won&#8217;t Change. What Should I Do?</title>
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		<title>By: sil</title>
		<link>http://www.evanmarckatz.com/blog/im-in-a-relationship-with-a-great-guy-who-just-wont-change-what-should-i-do/comment-page-1/#comment-23987</link>
		<dc:creator>sil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Mar 2009 12:56:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If the guy procrastinated at EVERYTHING (as in the post on Feb 20th 2009 at 04:13 am) then he either had major depression or didn&#039;t love the woman he&#039;s dating. And a third (!) possibility: he did love her (maybe even quite a lot), but his depression was just too awful and probably connected to other personality issues (past traumas, introversion or some similar interpersonal inhibition, as in: &quot;procrastination permeated everything, including infringing on the time he spent with me, and returning phone calls, or e-mails&quot;). Maybe the solution could have been to admit these psychological ills and get proper treatment or advice/counselling.

&lt;abbr&gt;&lt;em&gt;&lt;abbr&gt;&lt;em&gt;sil&#180;s last blog post...&lt;a href=&quot;http://software-review-and-translate.blogspot.com/2006/05/review-and-wishlist-for-media-player.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Review and wishlist for Media Player Classic 6.4.x.x&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/abbr&gt;&lt;/abbr&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If the guy procrastinated at EVERYTHING (as in the post on Feb 20th 2009 at 04:13 am) then he either had major depression or didn&#8217;t love the woman he&#8217;s dating. And a third (!) possibility: he did love her (maybe even quite a lot), but his depression was just too awful and probably connected to other personality issues (past traumas, introversion or some similar interpersonal inhibition, as in: &#8220;procrastination permeated everything, including infringing on the time he spent with me, and returning phone calls, or e-mails&#8221;). Maybe the solution could have been to admit these psychological ills and get proper treatment or advice/counselling.</p>
<p><abbr><em><abbr><em>sil&#180;s last blog post&#8230;<a href="http://software-review-and-translate.blogspot.com/2006/05/review-and-wishlist-for-media-player.html" rel="nofollow">Review and wishlist for Media Player Classic 6.4.x.x</a></em></abbr></em></abbr></p>
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		<title>By: hunter</title>
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		<dc:creator>hunter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Feb 2009 01:25:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Truth, truth behold, maybe you speak the truth, but, truth being, relationships are not always about the truth.....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Truth, truth behold, maybe you speak the truth, but, truth being, relationships are not always about the truth&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: truth</title>
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		<dc:creator>truth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Feb 2009 21:40:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Uh, actually, people do change!  Just not for other people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Uh, actually, people do change!  Just not for other people.</p>
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		<title>By: Shari</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shari</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Feb 2009 03:14:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Casual E,

Our relationship is long distance, one of the reasons his lack of a job, thus lack of money, thus lack of resources so we could see each other, bothered me so much.  We never could just bump into each other, or hang out, we always had to schedule time to be together.  At this point, because he&#039;s still out of work, any face to face time will have to wait because I can&#039;t afford to pick up the tab.  But we still e-mail, text, and talk on the phone.  There&#039;s no romantic overtones any longer.  Will this continue?  Hard to say.  We might eventually fizzle out, or it could become like another relationship I had where it just wasn&#039;t going to work and we remained friends.  To this day, four years later, we still spend time together.  It&#039;s just with a different set of feelings.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Casual E,</p>
<p>Our relationship is long distance, one of the reasons his lack of a job, thus lack of money, thus lack of resources so we could see each other, bothered me so much.  We never could just bump into each other, or hang out, we always had to schedule time to be together.  At this point, because he&#8217;s still out of work, any face to face time will have to wait because I can&#8217;t afford to pick up the tab.  But we still e-mail, text, and talk on the phone.  There&#8217;s no romantic overtones any longer.  Will this continue?  Hard to say.  We might eventually fizzle out, or it could become like another relationship I had where it just wasn&#8217;t going to work and we remained friends.  To this day, four years later, we still spend time together.  It&#8217;s just with a different set of feelings.</p>
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		<title>By: casualencounters.com/blog</title>
		<link>http://www.evanmarckatz.com/blog/im-in-a-relationship-with-a-great-guy-who-just-wont-change-what-should-i-do/comment-page-1/#comment-22266</link>
		<dc:creator>casualencounters.com/blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Feb 2009 20:34:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just curious, Shari. Have you really remained friends with the guy? Like, do you still see him and hang out and stuff? Or is it more of a &quot;I bear you no overt ill-will and would probably say hi if we bumped into each other in the street&quot; sort of friendship?

&lt;abbr&gt;&lt;em&gt;&lt;abbr&gt;&lt;em&gt;casualencounters.com/blog&#180;s last blog post...&lt;a href=&quot;http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/casualencounters/SkqR/~3/tNYkZplxYdc/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Casual Encounters Web TV Show, Episode 2&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/abbr&gt;&lt;/abbr&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just curious, Shari. Have you really remained friends with the guy? Like, do you still see him and hang out and stuff? Or is it more of a &#8220;I bear you no overt ill-will and would probably say hi if we bumped into each other in the street&#8221; sort of friendship?</p>
<p><abbr><em><abbr><em>casualencounters.com/blog&#180;s last blog post&#8230;<a href="http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/casualencounters/SkqR/~3/tNYkZplxYdc/" rel="nofollow">Casual Encounters Web TV Show, Episode 2</a></em></abbr></em></abbr></p>
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		<title>By: A-L</title>
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		<dc:creator>A-L</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Feb 2009 16:07:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the update, Shari.  Glad things seem to have turned out well for you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the update, Shari.  Glad things seem to have turned out well for you.</p>
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		<title>By: Shari</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shari</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Feb 2009 12:13:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I do appreciate everyone&#039;s thoughtful insights - thank you!  This letter was written while I was in the middle of deciding what to do, and as Casual Encounters mentions, yes, I did know this was about me, and this is exactly what I told my boyfriend.  I didn&#039;t want to ask him to change, I&#039;ve already been on that end of a relationship and it&#039;s painful, to say the least, when things that are just you become unacceptable to the person you&#039;re with and they can&#039;t accept you and want you to change.

Naturally, there is MUCH more to this relationship than what I wrote.  The job issue is the biggest, which is why I made it an example, but the procrastination permeated everything, including infringing on the time he spent with me, and returning phone calls, or e-mails.  There was also a lack of motivation that meant a two year degree which is gateway to a better job was taking six years to complete (and it&#039;s still not done), and a lack of self control that found him losing jobs because he didn&#039;t get to sleep on time and overslept his alarm day after day.

After a year and a half of this I had to ask myself if I could be okay in the long run with someone who could regularly become too busy at just about anything and forget an obligation to me until the last minute, or had no self motivation, and little self control and discipline.  I realized these things were deal breakers and as wonderful as he is in other areas, I had to tell him there can be nothing romantic between us.  I did tell him that this was about me, not him.  There are certain basic things I need to have to sustain a romantic relationship and while we have this great friendship, with the lack of those other things, a great friendship is all we could have.  He seemed relieved when I brought it up, having already come to that conclusion but as is just him, he had been getting ready to bring it up, just hadn&#039;t gotten there yet.  So we&#039;ve decided to remain friends.

I&#039;m a regular reader of Evan&#039;s Blog and have always liked the honesty that not just he displays, but in the comments by his readers.  So thanks again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do appreciate everyone&#8217;s thoughtful insights &#8211; thank you!  This letter was written while I was in the middle of deciding what to do, and as Casual Encounters mentions, yes, I did know this was about me, and this is exactly what I told my boyfriend.  I didn&#8217;t want to ask him to change, I&#8217;ve already been on that end of a relationship and it&#8217;s painful, to say the least, when things that are just you become unacceptable to the person you&#8217;re with and they can&#8217;t accept you and want you to change.</p>
<p>Naturally, there is MUCH more to this relationship than what I wrote.  The job issue is the biggest, which is why I made it an example, but the procrastination permeated everything, including infringing on the time he spent with me, and returning phone calls, or e-mails.  There was also a lack of motivation that meant a two year degree which is gateway to a better job was taking six years to complete (and it&#8217;s still not done), and a lack of self control that found him losing jobs because he didn&#8217;t get to sleep on time and overslept his alarm day after day.</p>
<p>After a year and a half of this I had to ask myself if I could be okay in the long run with someone who could regularly become too busy at just about anything and forget an obligation to me until the last minute, or had no self motivation, and little self control and discipline.  I realized these things were deal breakers and as wonderful as he is in other areas, I had to tell him there can be nothing romantic between us.  I did tell him that this was about me, not him.  There are certain basic things I need to have to sustain a romantic relationship and while we have this great friendship, with the lack of those other things, a great friendship is all we could have.  He seemed relieved when I brought it up, having already come to that conclusion but as is just him, he had been getting ready to bring it up, just hadn&#8217;t gotten there yet.  So we&#8217;ve decided to remain friends.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m a regular reader of Evan&#8217;s Blog and have always liked the honesty that not just he displays, but in the comments by his readers.  So thanks again.</p>
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		<title>By: CasualEncountersBlog</title>
		<link>http://www.evanmarckatz.com/blog/im-in-a-relationship-with-a-great-guy-who-just-wont-change-what-should-i-do/comment-page-1/#comment-21820</link>
		<dc:creator>CasualEncountersBlog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Feb 2009 20:43:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with the Datective, but I think Sheri needs to realize that this is about her and what she wants, and not about the guy and who he currently is.

No one can tell her what her expectations should be, or whether her feelings are &quot;reasonable&quot;. To ask for same is to ironically mirror her partner&#039;s experience.

&lt;abbr&gt;&lt;em&gt;&lt;abbr&gt;&lt;em&gt;CasualEncountersBlog&#180;s last blog post...&lt;a href=&quot;http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/casualencounters/SkqR/~3/ZsCTtARzaYI/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Wibblings&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/abbr&gt;&lt;/abbr&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with the Datective, but I think Sheri needs to realize that this is about her and what she wants, and not about the guy and who he currently is.</p>
<p>No one can tell her what her expectations should be, or whether her feelings are &#8220;reasonable&#8221;. To ask for same is to ironically mirror her partner&#8217;s experience.</p>
<p><abbr><em><abbr><em>CasualEncountersBlog&#180;s last blog post&#8230;<a href="http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/casualencounters/SkqR/~3/ZsCTtARzaYI/" rel="nofollow">Wibblings</a></em></abbr></em></abbr></p>
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		<title>By: hunter</title>
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		<dc:creator>hunter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Feb 2009 17:23:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am sorry, you had to end it.   I have been told they are good lovers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am sorry, you had to end it.   I have been told they are good lovers.</p>
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		<title>By: the Datective</title>
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		<dc:creator>the Datective</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Feb 2009 17:03:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think I may have dated this man before ;)  Sweet, loving, kind, generous AND completely incapable (or maybe unwilling) of making big life decisions.  He could not handle set backs with any level of perspective and mismanaged his finances, which of course created perpetual set backs that he couldn&#039;t seem to get past.  After playing &quot;rescuer&quot; for months (including long talks, helping him find a good life coach, etc.), I finally had to make a very painful decision to leave the relationship.  Not because I didn&#039;t love him, but because being with a &quot;victim&quot; was completely draining.  I think ultimately, each person needs to determine what they can and can&#039;t live with.  Wishing Sheri lots lots of luck!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think I may have dated this man before <img src='http://www.evanmarckatz.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' />   Sweet, loving, kind, generous AND completely incapable (or maybe unwilling) of making big life decisions.  He could not handle set backs with any level of perspective and mismanaged his finances, which of course created perpetual set backs that he couldn&#8217;t seem to get past.  After playing &#8220;rescuer&#8221; for months (including long talks, helping him find a good life coach, etc.), I finally had to make a very painful decision to leave the relationship.  Not because I didn&#8217;t love him, but because being with a &#8220;victim&#8221; was completely draining.  I think ultimately, each person needs to determine what they can and can&#8217;t live with.  Wishing Sheri lots lots of luck!</p>
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