“It is also a well established concept(unified across dispirate fields of study) that shortterm mating is a function of
genetic benefits(reliably indicated through correlates of physical attractiveness).”

I’m a member of an adoptive family. Growing up, I felt uneasy about this until I got older and realized how good looking all the other adoptees were. I cannot think of a single “ugly” adoptee that I grew up with and I do not think it was just coincidence. In particular, a disproportionately high percentage of these people were strong athletes. I suspect that our “daddies” who left our biological mothers alone and pregnant also inadvertently gifted us with physical resilience.

I know I’m not the only woman who struggles with this … My last bf is the best guy I know but dating him was an awful decision. We had been close friends and he adored me and was kind – after getting screwed so many times I thought that was enough. But it wasn’t — we had sex maybe once a month and for some reason it just never got to a deeper connection over 1 1/2 yrs. he was 34; I was 24. Still close friends and he just married a woman who is great fir him. Anyway, sometimes the hardest part is not walking away from the hot but bad boy, it’s walking away from the good but wrong guy.

I can’t tell if the studies prove it. The excerpts quoted might contain proof, but I can’t tell without seeing the definitions of the terms they are using.

I believe Paragon’s assertion is true, but I don’t believe the study he’s looking at (#63 & #70) proves the assertion.

The most recent study Paragon mentioned (#72) does indicate that women will accept an attractive man who only views the woman as a short-term mating prospect (which at least gets back to the men Evan was describing at the very beginning).

I didn’t read enough of the study to see how common this tendency is. It did specifically indicate that this could shift at different points in a person’s life.

The behavior which is accepted wouldn’t necessarily include abuse, but it would include infidelity. And Paragon has certainly made this point previously.

If you combine the two studies, you could infer that women will accept abuse from attractive men as well. It would require a separate study to determine how strong the correlation is, and whether causation is indicated.

But, I think they are merely unifying the data with a most likely explanation, given expectations, and an understanding for how these systems have been demonstrated to operate.

Lots of related studies here:

http://www2.psych.ubc.ca/~schaller/Psyc591Readings/GangestadSimpson2000.pdf

70 Again, what do these “coercive tactics” entail? Also, did the scientists account for the possibility that men with a statistically higher level of delinquency who idealize a high partner count may also be more likely to construct tall tales regarding their sexual history, have a more inflated sense of their own attractiveness (apparently, their self esteem is all we have to go on in this regard), and/or pay women to have casual sex with them more often than regular folks?

“Landolt et al. (1995) found that men who scored high on a measure of “self-perceived mating success” more often selected shortterm mating tactics in a hypothetical dating situation than men who perceived themselves as less successful, particularly when the prospective partner was very attractive.

This is of particular interest because high ME is one of the most important correlates of both delinquency and sexual
coercion among young men (e.g., Bogaert 1993; Elliott & Morse 1989; Flannery et al. 1993).

With regard to sexual coercion, men who report having been sexually coercive report more extensive sexual histories,
including having more casual sex partners and earlier age of first intercourse, together with a greater preference for
partner variety (reviewed in Quinsey & Lalumière 1995; Lalumière & Quinsey 1999).”

It is important to note the the ‘shortterm mating tactics’ alluded to above, equates to high mating effort(ME), strategies which are strongly linked with sexual success.

It is also a well established concept(unified across dispirate fields of study) that shortterm mating is a function of
genetic benefits(reliably indicated through correlates of physical attractiveness).

Thus, it seems reasonable to assume that male attractiveness is a mitigating factor in the liability posed by employing such coercive tactics(unless you want to argue against any tendency where females demonstrate a preference for males who are ‘high-risk’, with respect to the above indicators).

@ Happy Person

“I’ve seen this kind of weird reasoning in other studies, too. That if people are getting laid (in this one) or getting
noticed by the opposite sex (in another) that it’s because they’re more “attractive.” Bad studies because they aren’t
considering other explanations for the result.”

And, in this case, what is the more plausible explanation?

“It’s so hard to combat myths of this sort. Generally I don’t care, except in situations where people are suggesting that
females get raped because they’re sexually attractive”

Which the data supports(even if we consider deviations – expected variance – and where some variance is a function of
opportunity – remember males are opportunistic in making qualitative concessions) – but let’s not go there, shall we?

“Or that attractive men don’t rape because they don’t “have to.””

Who’s making that argument here?

The study I cited is actually suggesting otherwise.

It’s so hard to combat myths of this sort. Generally I don’t care, except in situations where people are suggesting that females get raped because they’re sexually attractive or women don’t get married because they’re ugly. Or that attractive men don’t rape because they don’t “have to.”

That wasn’t what you asked him to prove back in (#59). The statement you asked him to prove was (paraphrased, see #57):
More attractive men are permitted to be more sexually abusive/coercive.

“Sexually coercive men that use high effort mating strategies are obviously more attractive than other kinds. How else are they getting all of that sex?”

Perhaps because they’re frightening or blackmailing women and/or young girls into sex acts, along with propositioning many more women than average? I’m certain that coercion is clearly defined within the study, but I’m not seeing that definition here. Link me the copy, I’m coming up with dead ends and journal paywalls when I attempt to find it myself.