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		<title>By: LC</title>
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		<dc:creator>LC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jul 2012 15:07:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I find it really sad that men play all of these horrible games.  I&#039;ve been dating for 18 years, and I&#039;m so tired and bored of the insincerity on the dating scene.  It&#039;s getting so old.  Our hearts and bodies are not toys for men to use and discard.  We are human beings with feelings and the need to be loved.  This girl should dump this PUA guy.  He&#039;s unable to love a girl and only sees them as sporting trophies.  Unfortunately, there are just so few men out there with anything to offer in terms of character, honor, loyalty, friendship, and love.  I keep my fingers crossed that someday I might finally meet a man with good character and the ability to sincerely love a woman.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find it really sad that men play all of these horrible games.  I&#8217;ve been dating for 18 years, and I&#8217;m so tired and bored of the insincerity on the dating scene.  It&#8217;s getting so old.  Our hearts and bodies are not toys for men to use and discard.  We are human beings with feelings and the need to be loved.  This girl should dump this PUA guy.  He&#8217;s unable to love a girl and only sees them as sporting trophies.  Unfortunately, there are just so few men out there with anything to offer in terms of character, honor, loyalty, friendship, and love.  I keep my fingers crossed that someday I might finally meet a man with good character and the ability to sincerely love a woman.</p>
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		<title>By: chick</title>
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		<dc:creator>chick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jun 2010 23:39:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Okay Jen...
you posted this message a year ago pretty much... are you still with the guy now?  Either way I&#039;m quite curious to hear about it?
I&#039;m in a somewhat similar predicament.  i have been dating a &#039;nice&#039; guy for around 8 months.  He is always perfect when we are together and always there when i need him.  I have no doubt in my mind that he cares (he says love but I&#039;m not sure he really understands love so, i think that he believes he loves me at least).  He is a PUA.
I think its also worth mentioning that we didn&#039;t meet in the general PUA situation and generally the relationship lays with very equal stature.  I like my independence more than most women so i make sure that the effort and spending is relatively the same for each of us.  We &#039;date&#039; in the sense that we stay around each others place 2-3 times per week and make sure that includes some time to watch a film, go out for dinner or basically spend some quality time.  So yea, things are great :)
The difference is that i was told from about one month in and that although at that point he hadn&#039;t started, he has now actually started working and earning money from being a PUA.  I am very open minded so from the moment I knew, I set the ground rules of

ditch the number after getting it (never give contact thereafter)
anything more than a kiss and I&#039;m gone.

As in a previous comment... i have been his &#039;wing girl&#039; and we did have some fun.  Obviously seeing him chat to other women this way and knowing that he kisses them etc bugs me, but at the end of the day, seeing him do it was that little bit more comforting in the fact that as much as he could follow these leads, he doesn&#039;t.

It all comes down to trust.  If everything is good and your the one he comes home to, what&#039;s the problem?... your just going to have a ton of women wishing they were you.  Take comfort in the fact that the &#039;type&#039; of girl he wants is not the easily manipulated one in the bar, club or high street, but the one that he knows, cares about and wants to be with... thats you.

90% of PUA&#039;s are insecure men with a big front of a growing ego... thats what PUA tells them to be so they can pick up these girls (they need the confidence to do it!).  If he has opened up and gone beyond that for you, then there is something there.  a PUA wont go further and allow a girl to see an insecurity unless theres a relationship.  This is because it shows weakness... one thing with the PUA method is weakness is frowned upon-you have to be the best, richest, most social, healthiest man in the house.  So think about what you have with this guy and how he is with you.  Do you trust him now?







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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay Jen&#8230;<br />
you posted this message a year ago pretty much&#8230; are you still with the guy now?  Either way I&#8217;m quite curious to hear about it?<br />
I&#8217;m in a somewhat similar predicament.  i have been dating a &#8216;nice&#8217; guy for around 8 months.  He is always perfect when we are together and always there when i need him.  I have no doubt in my mind that he cares (he says love but I&#8217;m not sure he really understands love so, i think that he believes he loves me at least).  He is a PUA.<br />
I think its also worth mentioning that we didn&#8217;t meet in the general PUA situation and generally the relationship lays with very equal stature.  I like my independence more than most women so i make sure that the effort and spending is relatively the same for each of us.  We &#8216;date&#8217; in the sense that we stay around each others place 2-3 times per week and make sure that includes some time to watch a film, go out for dinner or basically spend some quality time.  So yea, things are great <img src='http://www.evanmarckatz.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
The difference is that i was told from about one month in and that although at that point he hadn&#8217;t started, he has now actually started working and earning money from being a PUA.  I am very open minded so from the moment I knew, I set the ground rules of</p>
<p>ditch the number after getting it (never give contact thereafter)<br />
anything more than a kiss and I&#8217;m gone.</p>
<p>As in a previous comment&#8230; i have been his &#8216;wing girl&#8217; and we did have some fun.  Obviously seeing him chat to other women this way and knowing that he kisses them etc bugs me, but at the end of the day, seeing him do it was that little bit more comforting in the fact that as much as he could follow these leads, he doesn&#8217;t.</p>
<p>It all comes down to trust.  If everything is good and your the one he comes home to, what&#8217;s the problem?&#8230; your just going to have a ton of women wishing they were you.  Take comfort in the fact that the &#8216;type&#8217; of girl he wants is not the easily manipulated one in the bar, club or high street, but the one that he knows, cares about and wants to be with&#8230; thats you.</p>
<p>90% of PUA&#8217;s are insecure men with a big front of a growing ego&#8230; thats what PUA tells them to be so they can pick up these girls (they need the confidence to do it!).  If he has opened up and gone beyond that for you, then there is something there.  a PUA wont go further and allow a girl to see an insecurity unless theres a relationship.  This is because it shows weakness&#8230; one thing with the PUA method is weakness is frowned upon-you have to be the best, richest, most social, healthiest man in the house.  So think about what you have with this guy and how he is with you.  Do you trust him now?</p>
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		<title>By: hunter</title>
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		<dc:creator>hunter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Aug 2009 19:58:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Say, Joe....I understand what you are saying. Men have to give women a hard time, or else they get bored, and find someone else.....]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Say, Joe&#8230;.I understand what you are saying. Men have to give women a hard time, or else they get bored, and find someone else&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Aug 2009 15:51:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Naw, hunter, that would mean he&#039;d have to find a job, or find himself another sugar mama!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Naw, hunter, that would mean he&#8217;d have to find a job, or find himself another sugar mama!</p>
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		<title>By: hunter</title>
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		<dc:creator>hunter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Aug 2009 15:15:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Melissa, sounds like your boyfriend wanted out of the relationship.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Melissa, sounds like your boyfriend wanted out of the relationship.</p>
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		<title>By: Melissa Dawn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Melissa Dawn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Aug 2009 12:20:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Okay , either you trust him or you don&#039;t. If ya don&#039;t..then leave.

No one wants to go out with someone who doesn&#039;t trust them because even if they aren&#039;t doing anything.... being accused of things every night or every other night isn&#039;t fun and it&#039;s just going to aggravate him to a point where he will break up with you.

I used to work a lot, since my ex didn&#039;t want to work at all. I&#039;d come home after 11 hours and be accused of cheating when any one of the other employees and the cameras could vouch for me. To make a long story short, going through that friggin crap everyday was irritating and stressful. After a while I broke up with him and said don&#039;t bother me any more.

That&#039;s just an example from my life. I am a woman and I didn&#039;t want to be with a man accusing me of things all the time. If you trust him then you gotta mean it and actually trust him. If you have doubt then you shouldn&#039;t be together.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay , either you trust him or you don&#8217;t. If ya don&#8217;t..then leave.</p>
<p>No one wants to go out with someone who doesn&#8217;t trust them because even if they aren&#8217;t doing anything&#8230;. being accused of things every night or every other night isn&#8217;t fun and it&#8217;s just going to aggravate him to a point where he will break up with you.</p>
<p>I used to work a lot, since my ex didn&#8217;t want to work at all. I&#8217;d come home after 11 hours and be accused of cheating when any one of the other employees and the cameras could vouch for me. To make a long story short, going through that friggin crap everyday was irritating and stressful. After a while I broke up with him and said don&#8217;t bother me any more.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s just an example from my life. I am a woman and I didn&#8217;t want to be with a man accusing me of things all the time. If you trust him then you gotta mean it and actually trust him. If you have doubt then you shouldn&#8217;t be together.</p>
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		<title>By: Sayanta</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sayanta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 03:20:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;yeeesh don&#039;t men have mother&#039;s anymore?&quot;

Sadly, no- at least emotionally available ones. A lot of  men in the current American culture grew up with single mothers who were working ten-twelve hours day and barely had enough energy to cook dinner after coming home, let alone emotionally connect with their children.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;yeeesh don&#8217;t men have mother&#8217;s anymore?&#8221;</p>
<p>Sadly, no- at least emotionally available ones. A lot of  men in the current American culture grew up with single mothers who were working ten-twelve hours day and barely had enough energy to cook dinner after coming home, let alone emotionally connect with their children.</p>
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		<title>By: hunter</title>
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		<dc:creator>hunter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Apr 2009 22:45:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Women won&#039;t date the nice guys, they are boring.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Women won&#8217;t date the nice guys, they are boring.</p>
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		<title>By: Karl R</title>
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		<dc:creator>Karl R</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Apr 2009 17:56:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Let me begin this by stating that I have no interest in &quot;The Game&quot;.  It&#039;s my impression that it contains some useful information, but it&#039;s primarily useful for men who are looking for a short-term sexual relationship, which is not my goal.

&lt;b&gt;Jessica said:&lt;/b&gt; (#97)
&lt;i&gt;&quot;I can&#039;t stand that book &#039;The Game&#039;.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;
&lt;i&gt;&quot;my boyfriend of three years just broke up with me.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;
&lt;i&gt;&quot;We have had a horrible abusive relationship for three years&quot;&lt;/i&gt;
&lt;i&gt;&quot;thats just not how you get the good girls you want.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;
&lt;i&gt;&quot;Treat your girls with respect. Make a woman happy and she will do everything to make you happy too!!!&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

You just did a remarkable job of persuading me that you don&#039;t know what you&#039;re talking about.  According to you:
&lt;b&gt;1)&lt;/b&gt; Your boyfriend was horrible and abusive to you for 3 years.
&lt;b&gt;2)&lt;/b&gt; You did not leave your boyfriend.  He broke up with you.
&lt;b&gt;3)&lt;/b&gt; You (presumably) consider yourself to be a &quot;good girl&quot;.
&lt;b&gt;4)&lt;/b&gt; Treating a woman with respect is a more successful method of getting and keeping a &quot;good girl&quot;.

Your boyfriend managed to get &lt;i&gt;you&lt;/i&gt; and keep you for 3 years without treating you with respect.  The relationship ended when he decided that he no longer wanted to be with you.

You might want to consider &lt;i&gt;why&lt;/i&gt; this was possible.

&lt;i&gt;&quot;i just wish we could have more down to earth, fun, loving guys who don&#039;t need that bullshit&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

Then date those men, and dump the ones who disrescpect you and abuse you after the first or second date.  And if every woman does the same thing, then &quot;The Game&quot; will become a completely useless piece of trash.

I agree with Evan that a nice guy &lt;i&gt;with self-confidence&lt;/i&gt; can do as well as (or better than) a jerk.  But if you really want to persuade men that it&#039;s against their interest to be a jerk, you might want to start dating the nice guys (regardless of their self-confidence) in preference to the jerks.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let me begin this by stating that I have no interest in &#8220;The Game&#8221;.  It&#8217;s my impression that it contains some useful information, but it&#8217;s primarily useful for men who are looking for a short-term sexual relationship, which is not my goal.</p>
<p><b>Jessica said:</b> (#97)<br />
<i>&#8220;I can&#8217;t stand that book &#8216;The Game&#8217;.&#8221;</i><br />
<i>&#8220;my boyfriend of three years just broke up with me.&#8221;</i><br />
<i>&#8220;We have had a horrible abusive relationship for three years&#8221;</i><br />
<i>&#8220;thats just not how you get the good girls you want.&#8221;</i><br />
<i>&#8220;Treat your girls with respect. Make a woman happy and she will do everything to make you happy too!!!&#8221;</i></p>
<p>You just did a remarkable job of persuading me that you don&#8217;t know what you&#8217;re talking about.  According to you:<br />
<b>1)</b> Your boyfriend was horrible and abusive to you for 3 years.<br />
<b>2)</b> You did not leave your boyfriend.  He broke up with you.<br />
<b>3)</b> You (presumably) consider yourself to be a &#8220;good girl&#8221;.<br />
<b>4)</b> Treating a woman with respect is a more successful method of getting and keeping a &#8220;good girl&#8221;.</p>
<p>Your boyfriend managed to get <i>you</i> and keep you for 3 years without treating you with respect.  The relationship ended when he decided that he no longer wanted to be with you.</p>
<p>You might want to consider <i>why</i> this was possible.</p>
<p><i>&#8220;i just wish we could have more down to earth, fun, loving guys who don&#8217;t need that bullshit&#8221;</i></p>
<p>Then date those men, and dump the ones who disrescpect you and abuse you after the first or second date.  And if every woman does the same thing, then &#8220;The Game&#8221; will become a completely useless piece of trash.</p>
<p>I agree with Evan that a nice guy <i>with self-confidence</i> can do as well as (or better than) a jerk.  But if you really want to persuade men that it&#8217;s against their interest to be a jerk, you might want to start dating the nice guys (regardless of their self-confidence) in preference to the jerks.</p>
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		<title>By: JB</title>
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		<dc:creator>JB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Apr 2009 17:33:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Jessica might find it hard to believe and I know I&#039;m in the minority amongst most men but I study ALL aspects of &quot;The Game&quot; from the &quot;Pick Up Arts&quot; to every and anything written about relationships healthy &amp; unhealthy. It doesn&#039;t matter to me whether it&#039;s Mystery,Evan,DeAngelo/Christian Carter or Dr. Phil and anyone else who&#039;s divorced 3 times and has written 3 books on healthy relationships.
I enjoy learning and believe none of them is 100% right but all have some great points of view and knowledge sometimes. I take it all in and apply what I want in my life. There&#039;s nothing wrong with learning &amp; listening to all of it including the PUA&#039;s.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jessica might find it hard to believe and I know I&#8217;m in the minority amongst most men but I study ALL aspects of &#8220;The Game&#8221; from the &#8220;Pick Up Arts&#8221; to every and anything written about relationships healthy &amp; unhealthy. It doesn&#8217;t matter to me whether it&#8217;s Mystery,Evan,DeAngelo/Christian Carter or Dr. Phil and anyone else who&#8217;s divorced 3 times and has written 3 books on healthy relationships.<br />
I enjoy learning and believe none of them is 100% right but all have some great points of view and knowledge sometimes. I take it all in and apply what I want in my life. There&#8217;s nothing wrong with learning &amp; listening to all of it including the PUA&#8217;s.</p>
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