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		<title>By: elli</title>
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		<dc:creator>elli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Oct 2012 19:59:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Observer´s and Fiona´s comments are a typical example of people living in two different worlds - Observer in the old, traditional one and safe for him because he was brought up to think like he does; and Fiona living in a new one, which is still in the process of creation and doesn´t provide any safety as it is completely new. I must take Fiona´s side because she is more courageous than Observer, at least that´s my opinion.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Observer´s and Fiona´s comments are a typical example of people living in two different worlds &#8211; Observer in the old, traditional one and safe for him because he was brought up to think like he does; and Fiona living in a new one, which is still in the process of creation and doesn´t provide any safety as it is completely new. I must take Fiona´s side because she is more courageous than Observer, at least that´s my opinion.</p>
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		<title>By: Clare</title>
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		<dc:creator>Clare</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Oct 2012 12:56:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ugh, I agree with you, Fiona. Observer&#039;s comment was pompous and mean. No idea what male posters like that are doing on this blog.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ugh, I agree with you, Fiona. Observer&#8217;s comment was pompous and mean. No idea what male posters like that are doing on this blog.</p>
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		<title>By: Fiona</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fiona</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Oct 2012 21:52:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Observer, first I would question what a man who has been married for 28 years is doing on a site that is aimed at helping successful, intelligent women find love esoecially as you do not seem to have much in the way of pearls of wisdom to offer. Second, I am amazed that you find it surprising that women actually talk about themselves and their experiences on such a site. Third, you sound rather ignorant regarding safe sex but perhaps they didn&#039;t have condoms back in your day. In short, you just seem to be on here for the sole purpose of firing shots at single women. You speak about emotional maturity but that doesn&#039;t sound very mature to me. You need not worry about demeaning me old chap. You were simply being mean to me. A person can only demean me if I allow them to do so.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Observer, first I would question what a man who has been married for 28 years is doing on a site that is aimed at helping successful, intelligent women find love esoecially as you do not seem to have much in the way of pearls of wisdom to offer. Second, I am amazed that you find it surprising that women actually talk about themselves and their experiences on such a site. Third, you sound rather ignorant regarding safe sex but perhaps they didn&#8217;t have condoms back in your day. In short, you just seem to be on here for the sole purpose of firing shots at single women. You speak about emotional maturity but that doesn&#8217;t sound very mature to me. You need not worry about demeaning me old chap. You were simply being mean to me. A person can only demean me if I allow them to do so.</p>
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		<title>By: Observer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Observer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Oct 2012 17:49:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I am old so I assume that I have experienced enough life to make some cogent observations.  In reading these discussions regarding &quot;hook ups&quot;, it is my personal subjective observation that the conclusion of all of these discussions does involve casual herterosexual sexual intercourse.  And, there is certainly nothing wrong with that!  However, because of my 28 years of married life (and therefore sexual exclusivity to one woman) have I missed out on the stupendous news that Sexually Transmitted Diseases have disappeared off the face of the Earth??  If not, then it does seem to me that engaging in casual sex (with an unknown partner) could be a life threatening event!  It is impossible to know if a person&#039;s sexual partner is safe unless that person has the results of a recent medical examination by a urologist (for either male or female).  And, even then, it usually takes up to six months for the symptoms of HIV to appear after first contact.

So from a perspective of &quot;self preservation&quot; it would seem to be a worthwhile effort to know the detailed &quot;history&quot; of a sex partner long before engaging in sex with them.  Although that might lead to awkward and unromantic conversations, is it better to contract an incurable STD afterwards simply because one partner wanted to &quot;believe&quot; the other partner about their sexual history? 

My other observation is my perspective on an agglomeration of some of the other commentators, specifically female, to this discussion topic.  A number of them seem to have &quot;passed their prime&quot; and consequently lament their lack of a stable long-enduring relationship, but still seem to believe that they are yet &quot;prime&quot;.  Let us be blunt; most of them seem to focus only on one topic in life: themselves!  So why should it be surprising that they are alone in life (and probably permanently until the day of their death).  Any &quot;thriving&quot; heterosexual relationship is a &quot;two way street&quot;!  &lt;-- What an astounding comment!  And, to paraphrase (poorly) what some of them have written here, &quot;they want nothing to do with children&quot;.  Unfortunately for them, most Homo sapiens (including men) are biologically &quot;conditioned&quot; to want to reproduce.  My condolences to them when they meet men who do want to reproduce.  For the ones who are actually past their fertility, my naive speculation is that it should be much easier for them to meet men who are &quot;somewhat&quot; older than them for the simple reason that the vast majority of men past a certain age are not likely to be looking to make a new family with babies.  Yet they still lament that they have not found &quot;Mr. Perfect&quot;.

I will contradict myself somewhat in my comment above because it is true that when I was well past my 43rd birthday, my wife and I were making our third child (she was past her 36th birthday).  

One of these lamentors commented upon her intellectual, academic, and career achievements, indicating that she is in the &quot;top 5%&quot;; yet she is still (middle age??) alone.  My point is not to demean her, but has she really looked in the physical mirror and the emotionally-mature mirror? ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am old so I assume that I have experienced enough life to make some cogent observations.  In reading these discussions regarding &#8220;hook ups&#8221;, it is my personal subjective observation that the conclusion of all of these discussions does involve casual herterosexual sexual intercourse.  And, there is certainly nothing wrong with that!  However, because of my 28 years of married life (and therefore sexual exclusivity to one woman) have I missed out on the stupendous news that Sexually Transmitted Diseases have disappeared off the face of the Earth??  If not, then it does seem to me that engaging in casual sex (with an unknown partner) could be a life threatening event!  It is impossible to know if a person&#8217;s sexual partner is safe unless that person has the results of a recent medical examination by a urologist (for either male or female).  And, even then, it usually takes up to six months for the symptoms of HIV to appear after first contact.</p>
<p>So from a perspective of &#8220;self preservation&#8221; it would seem to be a worthwhile effort to know the detailed &#8220;history&#8221; of a sex partner long before engaging in sex with them.  Although that might lead to awkward and unromantic conversations, is it better to contract an incurable STD afterwards simply because one partner wanted to &#8220;believe&#8221; the other partner about their sexual history? </p>
<p>My other observation is my perspective on an agglomeration of some of the other commentators, specifically female, to this discussion topic.  A number of them seem to have &#8220;passed their prime&#8221; and consequently lament their lack of a stable long-enduring relationship, but still seem to believe that they are yet &#8220;prime&#8221;.  Let us be blunt; most of them seem to focus only on one topic in life: themselves!  So why should it be surprising that they are alone in life (and probably permanently until the day of their death).  Any &#8220;thriving&#8221; heterosexual relationship is a &#8220;two way street&#8221;!  &lt;&#8211; What an astounding comment!  And, to paraphrase (poorly) what some of them have written here, &#8220;they want nothing to do with children&#8221;.  Unfortunately for them, most Homo sapiens (including men) are biologically &#8220;conditioned&#8221; to want to reproduce.  My condolences to them when they meet men who do want to reproduce.  For the ones who are actually past their fertility, my naive speculation is that it should be much easier for them to meet men who are &#8220;somewhat&#8221; older than them for the simple reason that the vast majority of men past a certain age are not likely to be looking to make a new family with babies.  Yet they still lament that they have not found &#8220;Mr. Perfect&#8221;.</p>
<p>I will contradict myself somewhat in my comment above because it is true that when I was well past my 43rd birthday, my wife and I were making our third child (she was past her 36th birthday).  </p>
<p>One of these lamentors commented upon her intellectual, academic, and career achievements, indicating that she is in the &#8220;top 5%&#8221;; yet she is still (middle age??) alone.  My point is not to demean her, but has she really looked in the physical mirror and the emotionally-mature mirror? </p>
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		<title>By: Lucy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lucy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Oct 2012 22:04:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thank you, Karmic and Liz.

Well I used to be quite the idealist and in some ways I still am, except now I think that I can balance it out with some real world perspective. Well I bought myself some thinking time with the hooking-up and now I know for sure that a relationship is what I want. It really opened my mind actually. As I said in a previous post, I&#039;ve found that men I&#039;ve hooked-up with have treated me with more respect than previous  boyfriends. I know that doesn&#039;t say much about my relationship choices, but it also shows that people can&#039;t be put in black-and-white boxes because of how they live their sexuality. I have not changed overnight. I&#039;m the same old loving me. I was in a relationship with a man who frequently rejected me sexually and was a selfish lover. Then a few months ago, I had a brief fling with a man who really did care about my pleasure and really made me feel good. He&#039;s not relationship material but being around him made me feel that there&#039;s the possibility of something better out there. It took away some of my self-doubt as the previous boyfriend said it was my fault he could not get aroused enough to have sex with me.

I don&#039;t find it difficult to draw the boundaries most of the time. And well, I would not get involved with someone who had stronger feelings for me than I had for him (or any feelings I did not share). Everyone deserves the best. But like you said Liz, it can be pretty arbitrary. You can&#039;t choose someone you are too close to because it could &#039;cause issues, and yet you have to know enough about them to trust them. I have not been in any situations which were distressing or dangerous, but when you see people at their most vulnerable, it really does reveal a lot. See I&#039;ve noticed that many are not as honest up-front as they could be. That takes a lot of self-awareness and confidence which some men (at least of my age; early 20&#039;s) do not have, regardless of their outward persona.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you, Karmic and Liz.</p>
<p>Well I used to be quite the idealist and in some ways I still am, except now I think that I can balance it out with some real world perspective. Well I bought myself some thinking time with the hooking-up and now I know for sure that a relationship is what I want. It really opened my mind actually. As I said in a previous post, I&#8217;ve found that men I&#8217;ve hooked-up with have treated me with more respect than previous  boyfriends. I know that doesn&#8217;t say much about my relationship choices, but it also shows that people can&#8217;t be put in black-and-white boxes because of how they live their sexuality. I have not changed overnight. I&#8217;m the same old loving me. I was in a relationship with a man who frequently rejected me sexually and was a selfish lover. Then a few months ago, I had a brief fling with a man who really did care about my pleasure and really made me feel good. He&#8217;s not relationship material but being around him made me feel that there&#8217;s the possibility of something better out there. It took away some of my self-doubt as the previous boyfriend said it was my fault he could not get aroused enough to have sex with me.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t find it difficult to draw the boundaries most of the time. And well, I would not get involved with someone who had stronger feelings for me than I had for him (or any feelings I did not share). Everyone deserves the best. But like you said Liz, it can be pretty arbitrary. You can&#8217;t choose someone you are too close to because it could &#8217;cause issues, and yet you have to know enough about them to trust them. I have not been in any situations which were distressing or dangerous, but when you see people at their most vulnerable, it really does reveal a lot. See I&#8217;ve noticed that many are not as honest up-front as they could be. That takes a lot of self-awareness and confidence which some men (at least of my age; early 20&#8242;s) do not have, regardless of their outward persona.</p>
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		<title>By: Liz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Liz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Oct 2012 19:41:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Lucy good for you. Withdrawing is so the healthy thing to do. Humans can&#039;t be used as crutches. If only there were books on the when to hold them and when to fold them when dealing with someone is not 100% ready for something because of their past. Its hard for me to draw that boundary, its so arbitrary to say no I cannot see you, and then withdraw for some kind of specific time from someone&#039;s life. But if you don&#039;t, your sucked into that emotional crutch only to watch them fall in love when they are healthy. I have always wondered about the ones that it ends because of this, not the chemistry, lust, affection, or personalities. Those are the ones that hurt and make you question. 

Fiona. Yeah don&#039;t know if I could date someone so wounded. Even casually. Too much heart ache in the end. We are all colored by our past, but the inability to love is kinda of non-starter. :)  ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lucy good for you. Withdrawing is so the healthy thing to do. Humans can&#8217;t be used as crutches. If only there were books on the when to hold them and when to fold them when dealing with someone is not 100% ready for something because of their past. Its hard for me to draw that boundary, its so arbitrary to say no I cannot see you, and then withdraw for some kind of specific time from someone&#8217;s life. But if you don&#8217;t, your sucked into that emotional crutch only to watch them fall in love when they are healthy. I have always wondered about the ones that it ends because of this, not the chemistry, lust, affection, or personalities. Those are the ones that hurt and make you question. </p>
<p>Fiona. Yeah don&#8217;t know if I could date someone so wounded. Even casually. Too much heart ache in the end. We are all colored by our past, but the inability to love is kinda of non-starter. <img src='http://www.evanmarckatz.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />   </p>
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		<title>By: Karmic Equation</title>
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		<dc:creator>Karmic Equation</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Oct 2012 15:17:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[+1 to Lucy 67&#039;s post!
 
Well said!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>+1 to Lucy 67&#8242;s post!<br />
 <br />
Well said!</p>
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		<title>By: Lucy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lucy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Oct 2012 03:53:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There&#039;s one point I wish to make. I don&#039;t see men who engage in hook-ups as using women purely and selfishly for their own personal gain (unless their intentions clearly don&#039;t reflect in their actions). Where does the woman fit into this equation? In a healthy situation, both people are using each other and that doesn&#039;t have to be a bad thing. Sure chances are that no person sees the other as someone with great relationship potential, but it doesn&#039;t mean that they don&#039;t respect each other and treat each other decently. 

And a healthy person does not need a hook-up for validation or to feel sexy. However I&#039;d say that if it&#039;s been a while for me without dating (and I might have no desire for a relationship), then some kind of healthy involvement can be quite fulfilling. It certainly makes me look like less of a desperado because my hormones are in balance. It reminds me too that being single for me is a choice, until I find the right person. And recently I have decided to withdraw from that stuff because I don&#039;t feel like it at the moment. It&#039;s about making healthy decisions for you and not getting into situations you do not what to be in. All of that is within my control.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s one point I wish to make. I don&#8217;t see men who engage in hook-ups as using women purely and selfishly for their own personal gain (unless their intentions clearly don&#8217;t reflect in their actions). Where does the woman fit into this equation? In a healthy situation, both people are using each other and that doesn&#8217;t have to be a bad thing. Sure chances are that no person sees the other as someone with great relationship potential, but it doesn&#8217;t mean that they don&#8217;t respect each other and treat each other decently. </p>
<p>And a healthy person does not need a hook-up for validation or to feel sexy. However I&#8217;d say that if it&#8217;s been a while for me without dating (and I might have no desire for a relationship), then some kind of healthy involvement can be quite fulfilling. It certainly makes me look like less of a desperado because my hormones are in balance. It reminds me too that being single for me is a choice, until I find the right person. And recently I have decided to withdraw from that stuff because I don&#8217;t feel like it at the moment. It&#8217;s about making healthy decisions for you and not getting into situations you do not what to be in. All of that is within my control.</p>
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		<title>By: Fiona</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fiona</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Oct 2012 21:33:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Joe, I frankly couldn&#039;t care less for your opinions which are generally not constructive. As you can see, I am no longer dating so frankly this is irrelevant. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joe, I frankly couldn&#8217;t care less for your opinions which are generally not constructive. As you can see, I am no longer dating so frankly this is irrelevant. </p>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Oct 2012 19:35:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@ Fiona: you said that you&#039;ve come up in the top 5% of anything you&#039;ve ever done.  I can only imagine that comes out on your dates and the guys just end up thinking, &quot;Oh, geez, what a topper.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Fiona: you said that you&#8217;ve come up in the top 5% of anything you&#8217;ve ever done.  I can only imagine that comes out on your dates and the guys just end up thinking, &#8220;Oh, geez, what a topper.&#8221;</p>
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