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		<title>By: k</title>
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		<dc:creator>k</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Dec 2011 13:23:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>your husband talks about those women because he wants to sleep with them....I am sure he pictured them millions of times in his head
BUT it does not mean he will 

if he finds these girls hot does not mean that the girls find him hot 
so
so he can only &quot;vent&quot; about his desires by talking to you (which is childish....like a kid talking about smth that excites him so much)
does he have male friends? If he does he can be asked to discuss it with them if it bothers you (and it should bother you) 

also he is almost 40......last chance to be attractive to younger women...be a playboy... 

since he behaves like a child talking to him will not make him change (but you can try  - no harm in that)

I would make him jealous instead....and not with a photo....
you are much younger than him so in your relationship he should be scared to lose you

let him notice you talking to a hot guy (hire a friend, far relative)
then come to him laughung and happy and say
Jack (or Bill) said I look sexy in this dress...do you think I look sexy in this dress? (ask with naive eyes)

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>your husband talks about those women because he wants to sleep with them&#8230;.I am sure he pictured them millions of times in his head<br />
BUT it does not mean he will </p>
<p>if he finds these girls hot does not mean that the girls find him hot <br />
so<br />
so he can only &#8220;vent&#8221; about his desires by talking to you (which is childish&#8230;.like a kid talking about smth that excites him so much)<br />
does he have male friends? If he does he can be asked to discuss it with them if it bothers you (and it should bother you) </p>
<p>also he is almost 40&#8230;&#8230;last chance to be attractive to younger women&#8230;be a playboy&#8230; </p>
<p>since he behaves like a child talking to him will not make him change (but you can try  - no harm in that)</p>
<p>I would make him jealous instead&#8230;.and not with a photo&#8230;.<br />
you are much younger than him so in your relationship he should be scared to lose you</p>
<p>let him notice you talking to a hot guy (hire a friend, far relative)<br />
then come to him laughung and happy and say<br />
Jack (or Bill) said I look sexy in this dress&#8230;do you think I look sexy in this dress? (ask with naive eyes)</p>
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		<title>By: Melissa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Melissa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Sep 2011 05:35:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I disagree that it is okay for her husband to talk to her about how attractive other women are.  If you are married, you are not supposed to be lusting after other women.  This is out of RESPECT for your wife.  This is all in the big Book of Knowledge, and those of you that are saying what this man is doing is okay apparently lack in some serious knowledge.  Honestly, a man shouldn&#039;t even be referring to a woman as being HOT in the first place, and to say that she is HOT implies that she is dangerous in some sort of sense.  To say that a woman is HOT is like saying she should be a porn star.  It&#039;s just disrespectful terminology for a man to use.  Some men just never grow up, and your husband needs some serious counseling in the spiritual department.  Also, you are doing the right thing by refraining from jealous comments because he might just be trying to get a rise out of you, which is also not a good sign.  If that is what he&#039;s trying to do, he is preying on your weaknesses, and who does that in this world?  My ex did this same sort of thing to me and it put some real distance between us.  Everyone that knows him by the way calls him an idiot.  Now I know why. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I disagree that it is okay for her husband to talk to her about how attractive other women are.  If you are married, you are not supposed to be lusting after other women.  This is out of RESPECT for your wife.  This is all in the big Book of Knowledge, and those of you that are saying what this man is doing is okay apparently lack in some serious knowledge.  Honestly, a man shouldn&#8217;t even be referring to a woman as being HOT in the first place, and to say that she is HOT implies that she is dangerous in some sort of sense.  To say that a woman is HOT is like saying she should be a porn star.  It&#8217;s just disrespectful terminology for a man to use.  Some men just never grow up, and your husband needs some serious counseling in the spiritual department.  Also, you are doing the right thing by refraining from jealous comments because he might just be trying to get a rise out of you, which is also not a good sign.  If that is what he&#8217;s trying to do, he is preying on your weaknesses, and who does that in this world?  My ex did this same sort of thing to me and it put some real distance between us.  Everyone that knows him by the way calls him an idiot.  Now I know why. </p>
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		<title>By: Sonia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sonia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Aug 2011 16:17:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>At some point, you&#039;ve gotta wonder whether folks agree on the definition of &#039;relationship&#039;.  If this guy is going on about all the other women he sees, then why the heck is he in a relationship to begin with?  There&#039;s gotta be some balance between attraction to other women and attraction to &lt;em&gt;your&lt;/em&gt; woman.  It&#039;s not insecurity if a woman is bothered by her boyfriend&#039;s ogling: rather, it&#039;s wondering if you&#039;re still worth it to him.  What the heck are you getting out of being with me if you keep wishing you&#039;re with one of those other girls?  If you wanna play single, then be single.  Otherwise, shut up and tell me all the stuff you LIKE about our relationship, so I don&#039;t constantly wonder if you regret being here.

If you ogle other girls AND ogle your girl, for goodness&#039; sakes, let your girl know that you find her attractive!  Society does enough to make women feel inadequate.  Most of us (not all - some of us don&#039;t need anyone&#039;s approval) at the end of the day just wanna know that YOU think we&#039;re hot, or sexy, or smart, or endearingly kind, or anything else you admire.  And we wanna know that you can like those things about us WITHOUT comparing us to someone else in the same breath.  &quot;She&#039;s smoking hot, but you&#039;ve got pretty eyes!&quot;  See how that doesn&#039;t really feel like much of a compliment?  You might be thinking, &quot;I told her she&#039;s got pretty eyes - that&#039;s gotta stick out to her!&quot;  No.  Instead, we heard the &quot;she&#039;s smoking hot&quot; part and wondered if we were the consolation prize.

I apologize if I sound kinda bitter.  I&#039;ve been in these situations too much.  The trouble is, I constantly think I&#039;m finding a nice guy (he listens to me, he holds conversations about real-world things, tells me about himself, he asks how my mother&#039;s doing, says he&#039;ll meet my family, etc), and then over time little things add up.  But when you notice them, you&#039;re told you&#039;re being insecure.  But it&#039;s a trap, and then you&#039;re stuck because: you feel hurt and disrespected, yet you feel like you&#039;re too picky, sensitive, controlling, etc if you say anything, let alone try to break up.  If he can&#039;t even have sex with you without a) talking up another woman &lt;em&gt;ad nauseum&lt;/em&gt; before, during, or after; or b) watching porn before, during, or after, you&#039;ve gotta wonder if he&#039;s not just using you for something.  More appropriately, if you&#039;ve told him it bothers you and he keeps doing it, you&#039;ve gotta wonder if you don&#039;t deserve to be happier somewhere else.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At some point, you&#8217;ve gotta wonder whether folks agree on the definition of &#8216;relationship&#8217;.  If this guy is going on about all the other women he sees, then why the heck is he in a relationship to begin with?  There&#8217;s gotta be some balance between attraction to other women and attraction to <em>your</em> woman.  It&#8217;s not insecurity if a woman is bothered by her boyfriend&#8217;s ogling: rather, it&#8217;s wondering if you&#8217;re still worth it to him.  What the heck are you getting out of being with me if you keep wishing you&#8217;re with one of those other girls?  If you wanna play single, then be single.  Otherwise, shut up and tell me all the stuff you LIKE about our relationship, so I don&#8217;t constantly wonder if you regret being here.</p>
<p>If you ogle other girls AND ogle your girl, for goodness&#8217; sakes, let your girl know that you find her attractive!  Society does enough to make women feel inadequate.  Most of us (not all &#8211; some of us don&#8217;t need anyone&#8217;s approval) at the end of the day just wanna know that YOU think we&#8217;re hot, or sexy, or smart, or endearingly kind, or anything else you admire.  And we wanna know that you can like those things about us WITHOUT comparing us to someone else in the same breath.  &#8220;She&#8217;s smoking hot, but you&#8217;ve got pretty eyes!&#8221;  See how that doesn&#8217;t really feel like much of a compliment?  You might be thinking, &#8220;I told her she&#8217;s got pretty eyes - that&#8217;s gotta stick out to her!&#8221;  No.  Instead, we heard the &#8220;she&#8217;s smoking hot&#8221; part and wondered if we were the consolation prize.</p>
<p>I apologize if I sound kinda bitter.  I&#8217;ve been in these situations too much.  The trouble is, I constantly think I&#8217;m finding a nice guy (he listens to me, he holds conversations about real-world things, tells me about himself, he asks how my mother&#8217;s doing, says he&#8217;ll meet my family, etc), and then over time little things add up.  But when you notice them, you&#8217;re told you&#8217;re being insecure.  But it&#8217;s a trap, and then you&#8217;re stuck because: you feel hurt and disrespected, yet you feel like you&#8217;re too picky, sensitive, controlling, etc if you say anything, let alone try to break up.  If he can&#8217;t even have sex with you without a) talking up another woman <em>ad nauseum</em> before, during, or after; or b) watching porn before, during, or after, you&#8217;ve gotta wonder if he&#8217;s not just using you for something.  More appropriately, if you&#8217;ve told him it bothers you and he keeps doing it, you&#8217;ve gotta wonder if you don&#8217;t deserve to be happier somewhere else.</p>
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		<title>By: Terri</title>
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		<dc:creator>Terri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Apr 2011 06:24:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have been married for a number of years.  My husband and I are comfortable enough to comment to each other about an attractive person of the opposite sex.  In fact, I have pointed out an attractive woman to him at times.
Neither of us will &quot;go on&quot; endlessly about how hot someone is.  That is rude and disrespectful and your husband should not have to be told this is so.  IMO, this is plain common sense.  If he knows something is painful to you, he should just stop doing it and not make excuses about his behavior.
It must be difficult for you to be responsive to him when he brings all these fantasies home to you.  He should learn to keep his big mouth shut and show some concern for your feelings.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have been married for a number of years.  My husband and I are comfortable enough to comment to each other about an attractive person of the opposite sex.  In fact, I have pointed out an attractive woman to him at times.<br />
Neither of us will &#8220;go on&#8221; endlessly about how hot someone is.  That is rude and disrespectful and your husband should not have to be told this is so.  IMO, this is plain common sense.  If he knows something is painful to you, he should just stop doing it and not make excuses about his behavior.<br />
It must be difficult for you to be responsive to him when he brings all these fantasies home to you.  He should learn to keep his big mouth shut and show some concern for your feelings.</p>
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		<title>By: Lana</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Dec 2010 00:11:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jen,
I have been reading your story and you and I have much in common. I am in my mid forties and dating a 62 year old very flirtatious man....as much as he is capable of anyway.lol  I totally feel your frustration, your doubt about the relationship and your disgust.
It is NOT you. It is definitely HIM. I have thought about this situation over and over again...have gone over it in my head analyzing and trying to make sense out of why I too like you end up with the same type of guy. I have come to the decision that I refuse to blame myself for his ignorance and stupidity. I am the best thing that has and ever will happen to him and if he continues the way he has been...he will surely lose me for good. You see, I am leaving my options open and feel no guilt , no shame.
You should do the same because in the end......what we all want and deserve is to be happy and to be loved.
 
 
Best of luck to you my friend . You seem like a genuine intelligent, real person who deserves more.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jen,<br />
I have been reading your story and you and I have much in common. I am in my mid forties and dating a 62 year old very flirtatious man&#8230;.as much as he is capable of anyway.lol  I totally feel your frustration, your doubt about the relationship and your disgust.<br />
It is NOT you. It is definitely HIM. I have thought about this situation over and over again&#8230;have gone over it in my head analyzing and trying to make sense out of why I too like you end up with the same type of guy. I have come to the decision that I refuse to blame myself for his ignorance and stupidity. I am the best thing that has and ever will happen to him and if he continues the way he has been&#8230;he will surely lose me for good. You see, I am leaving my options open and feel no guilt , no shame.<br />
You should do the same because in the end&#8230;&#8230;what we all want and deserve is to be happy and to be loved.<br />
 <br />
 <br />
Best of luck to you my friend . You seem like a genuine intelligent, real person who deserves more.</p>
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		<title>By: Lana</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Dec 2010 23:58:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>THIS is a perfect example of Y we women sometimes seriously question male intelligence and common sense....hello guys:) we (females) drool over and fantasize about other guys too we are just smart enough NOT to tell the guy we are with about it&gt; Makes sense??</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>THIS is a perfect example of Y we women sometimes seriously question male intelligence and common sense&#8230;.hello guys:) we (females) drool over and fantasize about other guys too we are just smart enough NOT to tell the guy we are with about it&gt; Makes sense??</p>
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		<title>By: Karl R</title>
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		<dc:creator>Karl R</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Aug 2010 15:57:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The best thing I can say about &lt;strong&gt;Mike&#039;s&lt;/strong&gt; beliefs (#31, 39, 45) is that they apply equally to himself and his wife. If they both agree to such restrictive behavior, that&#039;s their right.

The biggest flaw I see in his beliefs is that he thinks modern marriages fail because they don&#039;t follow this restrictive behavior. As far as I can tell, he is basing &quot;success&quot; and &quot;failure&quot; on divorce rates, which have increased over the years.

In the past, there was a &lt;em&gt;huge stigma&lt;/em&gt; against divorce and divorcees, which kept divorce rates low. The problem with this social stigma, is that it trapped many people in marriages which were filled with domestic violence, a problem which was never socially acknowledged.
&lt;a title=&quot;&quot;Over the Threshhold: Intimate Violence in Early America&quot; href=&quot;http://www.amazon.com/Over-Threshold-Intimate-Violence-America/dp/0415918057#_&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&quot;Over the Threshhold: Intimate Violence in Early America&quot;&lt;/a&gt;

If a marriage contains domestic violence, I would &lt;em&gt;not&lt;/em&gt; consider it a success. Since this isn&#039;t an issue in Mike&#039;s marriage, he doesn&#039;t seem to consider the possibility that many of the marriages in our grandparents&#039; time &lt;em&gt;should&lt;/em&gt; have ended, even if they didn&#039;t.

I would equate Mike&#039;s restrictive behavior with a preventative mastectomy or preventative prostatectomy (one that&#039;s performed proactively to prevent breast cancer or prostate cancer before it occurs). In &lt;em&gt;rare&lt;/em&gt; cases, the risk factors may be high enough to make it the healthy choice, but for the majority of people, it simply creates &lt;em&gt;unnecessary&lt;/em&gt; consequences without a corresponding benefit.

My girlfriend and I are both active in the local dance community. We socialize and dance with members of the opposite sex without creating any jealousy or distrust in our relationship. There are married couples in the dance community whom have been together for &lt;em&gt;decades&lt;/em&gt;. This hasn&#039;t created a problem for them, despite the constant interaction with members of the opposite sex.

Jazz&#039;s husband is being boorish and inconsiderate of Jazz&#039;s feelings ... and the latter is a problem. Some of my behavior toward my girlfriend (when we&#039;re in private) could be considered boorish, &lt;em&gt;except&lt;/em&gt; she enjoys it. By engaging in &quot;boorish&quot; behaviors which she enjoys, I&#039;m being &lt;em&gt;considerate&lt;/em&gt; of her feelings.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The best thing I can say about <strong>Mike&#8217;s</strong> beliefs (#31, 39, 45) is that they apply equally to himself and his wife. If they both agree to such restrictive behavior, that&#8217;s their right.</p>
<p>The biggest flaw I see in his beliefs is that he thinks modern marriages fail because they don&#8217;t follow this restrictive behavior. As far as I can tell, he is basing &#8220;success&#8221; and &#8220;failure&#8221; on divorce rates, which have increased over the years.</p>
<p>In the past, there was a <em>huge stigma</em> against divorce and divorcees, which kept divorce rates low. The problem with this social stigma, is that it trapped many people in marriages which were filled with domestic violence, a problem which was never socially acknowledged.<br />
<a title="&quot;Over the Threshhold: Intimate Violence in Early America" href="http://www.amazon.com/Over-Threshold-Intimate-Violence-America/dp/0415918057#_" rel="nofollow">&#8220;Over the Threshhold: Intimate Violence in Early America&#8221;</a></p>
<p>If a marriage contains domestic violence, I would <em>not</em> consider it a success. Since this isn&#8217;t an issue in Mike&#8217;s marriage, he doesn&#8217;t seem to consider the possibility that many of the marriages in our grandparents&#8217; time <em>should</em> have ended, even if they didn&#8217;t.</p>
<p>I would equate Mike&#8217;s restrictive behavior with a preventative mastectomy or preventative prostatectomy (one that&#8217;s performed proactively to prevent breast cancer or prostate cancer before it occurs). In <em>rare</em> cases, the risk factors may be high enough to make it the healthy choice, but for the majority of people, it simply creates <em>unnecessary</em> consequences without a corresponding benefit.</p>
<p>My girlfriend and I are both active in the local dance community. We socialize and dance with members of the opposite sex without creating any jealousy or distrust in our relationship. There are married couples in the dance community whom have been together for <em>decades</em>. This hasn&#8217;t created a problem for them, despite the constant interaction with members of the opposite sex.</p>
<p>Jazz&#8217;s husband is being boorish and inconsiderate of Jazz&#8217;s feelings &#8230; and the latter is a problem. Some of my behavior toward my girlfriend (when we&#8217;re in private) could be considered boorish, <em>except</em> she enjoys it. By engaging in &#8220;boorish&#8221; behaviors which she enjoys, I&#8217;m being <em>considerate</em> of her feelings.</p>
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		<title>By: Goldie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Goldie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Aug 2010 13:00:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Personally, I wouldn&#039;t last a day with Mike - either I&#039;d run off because I&#039;d feel trapped, or he&#039;d kick me out for being a shameless hussy, or both :) That said, we are all very different and come  from very different cultural/religious/family backgrounds. I&#039;d say if a person grew up surrounded by siblings/playmates of the opposite sex or both sexes, and really, honestly does not see every member of opposite sex as a sex object, then this person will have friends of both sexes and think nothing of it, and that would not jeopardize their marriage in any way. I always tell people that I don&#039;t choose my friends based upon what&#039;s below their waist - I couldn&#039;t care less - I use completely different criteria when I decide who I want to be friends with!
 
On the other hand, when someone never had any dealings with the opposite sex other than dating/relationships, doesn&#039;t understand opposite sex, doesn&#039;t know how to talk to them, has no opposite-sex friends, then this person probably wouldn&#039;t be able to pull off a platonic friendship, so is probably safer not even trying.
 
If a woman never had any male friends growing up, it&#039;s not like she&#039;ll be missing a lot not having any when she&#039;s married. If she suddenly got one, she probably wouldn&#039;t know what to do with him, anyway. Same goes for a man who never socialized with any women growing up, except for dating/relationships/sex. He does not know how to relate to them otherwise, anyway. It&#039;s not like he&#039;ll have to cut 90% of his close friends out of his life the instant he gets married, because they&#039;re women. He doesn&#039;t have any to begin with!
 
As long as each side acknowledges the other, and doesn&#039;t try to impose their own standard across the board, I&#039;d say live and let live. Mike&#039;s mistake, as I see it, was that he started his first post on this thread with a broad statement that he appeared to apply to everyone. While I have no doubt that cutting off all social contact with opposite sex works great for Mike and his wife, it probably won&#039;t work for at least half the people on this blog, which is why he got this reaction, poor guy. I do find it ironic that Mike ended up talking with a lot of women on this thread, on pretty touchy subjects like sex and friendship, no less ;) Maybe he eventually realized it and maybe that&#039;s why he left.
 
Аnother thing that occurred to me, some people were raised in strict religions where men and women are not allowed any contact with each other, unless they&#039;re related, and for these people, &quot;no socializing with friends of opposite sex&quot; is norm. Again, as long as they do not impose it on everyone, and it works for them - fine by me.
 
Mental note to self - with any man I&#039;m dating - find out where he stands on opposite-sex friendships, before things get serious. As I see now, it could create problems in a relationships if both sides do not see eye to eye on this.
 
Would like to add my 2 cents on the original post - basically, I agree. It is okay to check out good-looking women (and guys, for that matter) if you&#039;re a guy (or a woman, for that matter). It is NOT okay to constantly discuss it with your wife/SO the way the LW&#039;s husband does - jealousy issues aside, it&#039;s just not polite dinner conversation! It&#039;s right up there with telling people what a huge, satisfying dump you had this morning. (sigh, can you tell I grew up around boys? :D) Borderline autistic was the perfect way to describe it, so, yeah, for reasons of common courtesy, he does need to stop.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Personally, I wouldn&#8217;t last a day with Mike &#8211; either I&#8217;d run off because I&#8217;d feel trapped, or he&#8217;d kick me out for being a shameless hussy, or both <img src='http://www.evanmarckatz.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  That said, we are all very different and come  from very different cultural/religious/family backgrounds. I&#8217;d say if a person grew up surrounded by siblings/playmates of the opposite sex or both sexes, and really, honestly does not see every member of opposite sex as a sex object, then this person will have friends of both sexes and think nothing of it, and that would not jeopardize their marriage in any way. I always tell people that I don&#8217;t choose my friends based upon what&#8217;s below their waist &#8211; I couldn&#8217;t care less &#8211; I use completely different criteria when I decide who I want to be friends with!<br />
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On the other hand, when someone never had any dealings with the opposite sex other than dating/relationships, doesn&#8217;t understand opposite sex, doesn&#8217;t know how to talk to them, has no opposite-sex friends, then this person probably wouldn&#8217;t be able to pull off a platonic friendship, so is probably safer not even trying.<br />
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If a woman never had any male friends growing up, it&#8217;s not like she&#8217;ll be missing a lot not having any when she&#8217;s married. If she suddenly got one, she probably wouldn&#8217;t know what to do with him, anyway. Same goes for a man who never socialized with any women growing up, except for dating/relationships/sex. He does not know how to relate to them otherwise, anyway. It&#8217;s not like he&#8217;ll have to cut 90% of his close friends out of his life the instant he gets married, because they&#8217;re women. He doesn&#8217;t have any to begin with!<br />
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As long as each side acknowledges the other, and doesn&#8217;t try to impose their own standard across the board, I&#8217;d say live and let live. Mike&#8217;s mistake, as I see it, was that he started his first post on this thread with a broad statement that he appeared to apply to everyone. While I have no doubt that cutting off all social contact with opposite sex works great for Mike and his wife, it probably won&#8217;t work for at least half the people on this blog, which is why he got this reaction, poor guy. I do find it ironic that Mike ended up talking with a lot of women on this thread, on pretty touchy subjects like sex and friendship, no less <img src='http://www.evanmarckatz.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' />  Maybe he eventually realized it and maybe that&#8217;s why he left.<br />
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Аnother thing that occurred to me, some people were raised in strict religions where men and women are not allowed any contact with each other, unless they&#8217;re related, and for these people, &#8220;no socializing with friends of opposite sex&#8221; is norm. Again, as long as they do not impose it on everyone, and it works for them &#8211; fine by me.<br />
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Mental note to self &#8211; with any man I&#8217;m dating &#8211; find out where he stands on opposite-sex friendships, before things get serious. As I see now, it could create problems in a relationships if both sides do not see eye to eye on this.<br />
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Would like to add my 2 cents on the original post &#8211; basically, I agree. It is okay to check out good-looking women (and guys, for that matter) if you&#8217;re a guy (or a woman, for that matter). It is NOT okay to constantly discuss it with your wife/SO the way the LW&#8217;s husband does &#8211; jealousy issues aside, it&#8217;s just not polite dinner conversation! It&#8217;s right up there with telling people what a huge, satisfying dump you had this morning. (sigh, can you tell I grew up around boys? <img src='http://www.evanmarckatz.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> ) Borderline autistic was the perfect way to describe it, so, yeah, for reasons of common courtesy, he does need to stop.</p>
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		<dc:creator>Freedom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Aug 2010 02:28:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I liked Mike. Thanks Mike.</description>
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		<title>By: Megan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Megan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Jul 2010 12:12:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am an anthropology student who has studied mating patterns. While women opt for quality over quantity, for men it is just the opposite. That &quot;hot&quot; chick may be attractive only in his eyes because biologically he would like to spread his genes as much as possible. This is why men seem to find attractive females everywhere whereas women tend to be down right picky.
The point is that women are more likely to cheat on their partners with a very attractive man whereas men will take what they can get, even if it is just an average looking female.
Women have more to lose if they are caught cheating so they set the bar really high.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am an anthropology student who has studied mating patterns. While women opt for quality over quantity, for men it is just the opposite. That &#8220;hot&#8221; chick may be attractive only in his eyes because biologically he would like to spread his genes as much as possible. This is why men seem to find attractive females everywhere whereas women tend to be down right picky.<br />
The point is that women are more likely to cheat on their partners with a very attractive man whereas men will take what they can get, even if it is just an average looking female.<br />
Women have more to lose if they are caught cheating so they set the bar really high.</p>
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