The College Try – Garfunkel and Oates

What can I say? These two hyperliterate women make me laugh. Plus, they’re truth tellers. I like truth tellers.

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  1. 61
    marymary

    The vagina is self-cleansing. Trying to soap it to sterile standards will cause bad bacteria to proliferate. That is not going to smell good. The healthy smell varies but some say it’s like Serge Lutens Ambre Sultan (a perfume). I say maybe.  A courtesan famously (well, famous to those who care about these things) would dab her juices about her ears. Apparently it drove men wild. Jeanette Winterson (a writer) described her girlfriend’s thus, “she keeps a starfish in there” (not a dead one, parentheses my own).
    If it really does smell like a dead animal, get it checed out.
    In the interests of equality, Serge Lutens Les Muscs Kubhla Khan smells exactly like male scrotum, on first whiff anyway. 
    The scents that come from animals (musk, ambergris, civet) are close to the scents we produce as human animals.  We’re not supposed to smell like roses.  We’re animals. Woof.

  2. 62
    Birdlife

    Evan – as moderator here – maybe you should moderate?

  3. 63
    Locutus

    Well Ruby,

    My posts here about the topic say pretty much the same thing as Lia, Karl R, and several others. In fact, Karl R even used some of the same words as me- saying Karen “Blew things out of proportion”. So I guess you are insulting them as well when you say my posts make little sense. Lia and Karl R, congratulations my posts and yours make little sense according to Ruby. Apparently, Ruby you are just another hypocrite crying people are harsh while hurling your own insults about their intellect. Yeah, your brilliant Ruby, real brilliant!! LOL

  4. 64
    Goldie

    @ henriette #54, I’ve worked in a mostly male environment all my adult life. I also have two sons, age 20 and 17. Both like comedy and I’ve gone to see the 17yo’s favorite comedians with him a few times. (One actually made a vagina joke during his act that made even me mildly uncomfortable — “I love big vaginas. Ladies, if you’ve ever been stopped at at airport for trying to sneak an elephant ear through security, I’m your man”. The audience apparently loved it.) It’s just that, in my experience, to most men, there’s no such thing as too offensive (or too soon, for that matter) when it comes to jokes. If it’s funny, they don’t care if it’s offensive or not. Granted, there are sensitive guys who are not like that (I’m dating one), but they are pretty rare in my experience. I have to admit, after spending years around my coworkers and my sons, I sometimes have to watch what I say around my BF — not everything that is funny to them, is equally funny to him.
     
    Locutus, I’m confused. Are you trying to teach Karen something she doesn’t know about women, or are you trying to make it look like the majority of this thread is ganging up on Karen, and Karen is therefore wrong? I don’t agree with what she’s saying here, either, but she’s entitled to her opinion. Your post with the long list of comment ##s made me scratch my head, if truth be told.
     
    @marymary #61 – I like this! Woof! I’ve got to say, if my dog suddenly started smelling like floral perfume, I’d freak out!

  5. 65
    Goldie

    Apologize for double comment, have to add that what I said about most men in my reply to Henriette in the comment above, IMO, goes double for male comedians. It’s like nothing is off-limits to those guys. And, since it’s the video we’re talking about falls under comedy, if it had been made by two guys instead of two women, ouch! I’m afraid to imagine what they could’ve come up with.

  6. 66
    Cat5

    Locutus @ #59 said:
     
    “Funny how these people all thought Karen’s comments were ridiculous- #22, #24, #28, #29, #30, #33, #35, #42, #46, #47, #49, #55.”
     
    That is not even a discussion of the issue.  That is the response of a child, “Weeeeeeell everyone else is doing it.” 
     
    Rather than dogpiling on Karen (and thinking that is a legitimate method of debating an issue), perhaps you should go back, review the posts and make a list of those who didn’t think Karen’s comment were ridiculous.  Here, I’ll get you started – #56.
     
    :-)

  7. 67
    amy

    HAHA evan, hysterical video!! 
    I wonder the correlation between women complain about this video being in bad taste and women who are single?
     

  8. 68
    marymary

    Evan is busy so I will moderate if I may:
    “you don’t have to turn up for every argument you’re invited to.”
    yes, I get the irony. I just turned up for this fight and I wasn,t even invited.
    *shuffles off*

  9. 69
    Ruby

    amy #68
     
    For what it’s worth, the women who actually wrote the song are single.

  10. 70
    Locutus

    Why do so many people not read each post thoroughly before they make a remark about it??
    Cat5 #66, did you even read my post you are criticizing?  It was not about ganging up on Karen.  In fact that particular post was not even directed at Karen!!!  Go back and reread.  It was directed at Eleanor because she just waltzed in here and threw out an immediate insult to me which actually stemmed over from posts in a different topic.  If anybody is ‘childish’ it is Eleanor for doing something like that.  I recommend you go back and reread every single post here as clearly the inaccuracy of your comments shows you haven’t read them thoroughly enough.
    Goldie,
    My point was to point out how foolish Karen sounded with her statement and how ridiculous it was.  I have no problem respecting a person’s personal opinion no matter how off the wall I think it is.  But she made a blanket statement about many other women about how this video is hurtful to them, as if they were so fragile and needed to be sheltered.  You said you disagree with her too.  How come you didn’t blast her for doing something like that.  Lia did and rightfully so. 
    All of my comments after my words to Karen were rebuttals to people that hurled insults at me- Ruby and Eleanor.  It’s funny how I am criticized for being harsh, but these 2 women can quietly tip toe around and hurl insults at me, but use soft wording and that is ok?  Criticize me for insulting people, but don’t say a word when they do.  Many hypocrites in here.  I can proudly say I am not one. 

  11. 71
    Karen

    Locutus 71
    You wrote:
    “Why do so many people not read each post thoroughly before they make a remark about it??”
    ‘I recommend you go back and reread every single post here as clearly the inaccuracy of your comments shows you haven’t read them thoroughly enough.”
    Please consider following your own advice.  

  12. 72
    Goldie

    @ Locutus: “You said you disagree with her too.  How come you didn’t blast her for doing something like that.”
     
    Excuse me, who died and made you king of comments? I blast whom I want to blast when I want to blast. I left a post for Karen, #48, in which I actually say “I disagree” verbatim. If that’s not harsh enough for you, tough shit, that’s how I chose to reply to Karen and you’ll have to live with it.
     
    “It’s funny how I am criticized for being harsh, but these 2 women can quietly tip toe around and hurl insults at me, but use soft wording and that is ok?  Criticize me for insulting people, but don’t say a word when they do. ”
     
    Are you fucking serious? What is this, kindergarten? Why does any commenter on here have to reprimand any other commenter for supposedly insulting you or anyone else? Geez. That’s it, I’m done.

  13. 73
    Locutus

    Evan,
    Thank you , I appreciate it.  I don’t envy you the amounts of stubborness and biasness you have to deal with.  It’s a wonder you haven’t torn all of the hairs out of your head already. 
    Goldie,
    One last time.  I am not TELLING you to do anything.  I am asking you why you chastize me when I am insulting and not others of the opposite opinion when they are equally insulting, but in a subtle way.  You have the gall to use vulgar language with me and you are all sweet talk to others.  You’re a massively biased person.  Please don’t even begin to deny that. 
    Karen,
    I read every single post here with scrutiny before ever commenting.  I believe it was Cat5 I told to reread posts and not you.  Why are you replying to my remarks to her??  Better yet, turn off the internet, radio, and television.  There might be something hurtful towards women broadcasting that I wouldn’t want you to be all shaken up by….

  14. 74
    Karen

    Eleanor 58
    Thank you for “hearing” what I actually said!!!
    I wish more were capable of responding to a post without mistaking their own filters, projections, and interpretations, as if they were part of an actual post.
     

  15. 75
    Cat5

    @ Locutus
    Goldie @64 said:
     
    “Locutus, I’m confused. Are you trying to teach Karen something she doesn’t know about women, or are you trying to make it look like the majority of this thread is ganging up on Karen, and Karen is therefore wrong? I don’t agree with what she’s saying here, either, but she’s entitled to her opinion. Your post with the long list of comment ##s made me scratch my head, if truth be told.”
     
    I could have worded my post @66 better as I agree with Goldie, and I would have just agreed with her post but it was not yet showing up when I posted my comment.
     
    Even give that, I’m not sure slinging around statements like, “I recommend you go back and reread every single post here as clearly the inaccuracy of your comments shows you haven’t read them thoroughly enough,” or “Many hypocrites in here. I can proudly say I am not one,” help your case in anyway.  Making bald factual statements based on internet postings…well I, for one, can state unequivocally, that you have no idea what I did or did not read, how thoroughly I read it, or whether I am a hypocrite or not.
     
    For the record, it does not now, nor did it at the time I read your entire post, make any difference to me at whom your comment (for clarity I mean your comment “Funny how these people all thought Karen’s comments were ridiculous- #22, #24, #28, #29, #30, #33, #35, #42, #46, #47, #49, #55″) was directed.  It was a specious comment and did not advance your argument in anyway.  In fact, it made you sound childish, and I said so.  Retaliating by saying that I didn’t read it thoroughly enough, or saying why do you get criticized for being harsh when no one else does and they are just throwing insults at you…well, that is another specious and childish argument.
     
    For the record, the reason I chose your post to comment on, you took the time to list out all the other posts.  It made it quicker and easier for me.  I may be lazy, but I’m not childish.  :-P  :-7 :-)
     

  16. 76
    Locutus

    Cat#77,
    Your post is so tangled and interwoven that I can’t even accurately follow what you are saying.  One needs a flow chart to follow it.  From what I can make of it I’ll say that no you didn’t read the posts that well at all unless you have a comprehension defficiency.  I’ll say it again, my post you cited #59 was a response to Eleanor as she came in and insulted me off the bat which stemmed from another discussion- not even this one.  You haven’t mentioned Eleanor’s post #58 AT ALL and that’s what my post #59 was ALL ABOUT!  Do you now see what I’m talking about?  That is why I said go back and read it.  Do you now comprehend?  Your mind seems to be devoid of structure.  Try taking a course in linear algebra.  It will help your mind to learn structure and order.
    It’s funny how you have called me childish about 4 or 5 times between both of your posts just because you didn’t like what I posted.  What’s wrong, do you get all flustered when things don’t go your way that you have to pout and call someone names?  You sound really immature with the name calling- remininiscent of a 2nd grade student.  Hmmm, who is the childish one now?  I recall some people posting once about irony.  Well, if this is not ironic I don’t know what is….

  17. 77
    Karmic Equation

    I think the women here gave Karen too much of a free pass, because she said “It’s been my experience” as if that validates the truth of her statements.

    Suppose I had dated only two men in my life, and both men raped me. Then I say to everyone, “All men are rapists, that has been my experience.” What would all of you who are in happy relationships and/or dated good men have to say? I think you would say, “I’m sorry that happened to you, but you need to have a better pecker picker. Not all men are rapists. You need to adjust how you choose men.”

    I’d say the same thing about the women that Karen alludes to. Ask them to change their mindset and look for the positives and don’t take things personally that shouldn’t be. Get some perspective and therapy if necessary.

    ——-

    It was really interesting how the flames got fanned higher and higher due to the Mars & Venus communications. Locutus was trying to be rational and support his arguments with listing supportive posts, but Goldie felt that he was childish because he was listing the posts. She tried to counter a rational argument with an emotional one. Hence both sides flared up even higher because neither was trying to understand the other, but was more interested in being “right” or “winning”.

    If both sides were interested in the goal of “mutual understanding” instead of winning, then this thread would have been less dramatic and more productive.

    Just my observation.

    ——–

    @marymary

    Hmmm…Interesting. Since I like my neck and ears nuzzled…I’m gonna have to try that instead of perfume!

    ——–

    Funny story (at least funny to me, YMMV) — It’s pretty apparent that many women here don’t watch too much porn. I don’t watch a lot, but enough. One time, an ex-bf commented, “Wow that chick is so roast beefy.” I said, “Huh, what does that mean?” He explained, my eyes widened. “You guys have a name for THAT??!!?” If you still don’t know, obviously porn women have been well used and get flappy down there. Need I say more? So “roast beef” is actually not a derogative, but rather a descriptive.

    Other words in the male lexicon that women may not know about:
    “Queef” (not sure if it’s spelled that way) – the farty sounds from the vagina after vigorous sex
    “Winter bush” – I laughed so hard when I heard Howard stern used this term, no explanation required.
    “Raw dogging” – unprotected sex
    “Red wings” – Something a guy ears by performing oral sex on a woman when she is menstruating. Some men are pround of this. (ew!)
    “Camel toe” – well, let’s just say men notice this if you go commando in spandex.

  18. 78
    Goldie

    “It was really interesting how the flames got fanned higher and higher due to the Mars & Venus communications. Locutus was trying to be rational and support his arguments with listing supportive posts, but Goldie felt that he was childish because he was listing the posts. She tried to counter a rational argument with an emotional one. Hence both sides flared up even higher because neither was trying to understand the other, but was more interested in being “right” or “winning”.
    If both sides were interested in the goal of “mutual understanding” instead of winning, then this thread would have been less dramatic and more productive.
    Just my observation.”
     
    Wow, what an interesting observation. My opinion of the video itself is probably closer to Locutus’ than to Karen’s. What I disagree with is telling someone “you are wrong because everyone else thinks you are”, followed by list of names, followed by list of posts. Which in turn is followed by asking other posts “why didn’t you blast Karen” and “why didn’t anyone blast two other posters (names) for attacking me”.
     
    I am not interested in being right or winning, geez. I am already winning at life as far as I understand it, and have no need to be winning on an online forum. I have however been posting here for about three years. I like reading the comment section on this blog as it is usually very informative. And you’re right, it did upset me a bit to see one person try to turn it into a middle-school drama-fest. His last half-dozen or so posts are not even about the video at all. They are instead about some weird Karen-shaming and calling people out for not disagreeing with her harshly enough.
     
    I honestly think this horse has been beaten to death. Unless I see anything constructive and related to the video, I promise I won’t be replying anymore. I’ve added more than I should’ve to this cluster as it is.
     
    “She tried to counter a rational argument with an emotional one.”
     
    That made me laugh. Thanks.

  19. 79
    Locutus

    I will just say that I am not “interested in winning”.  However, I am interested in what is right and what is the truth.  And like I said most of my later remarks were because people cited my name and insulted me.  I would have been done posting in this discussion long before that if I had not been singled out and personally insulted.
    Oh Goldie,
    You continue to bash don’t ya.  You’re NOT innocent at all.  I see in your followup comment you still have to refer to my posts as “middle school drama”.  I think you’re a stuck up snob as you seem to always write posts as if you are looking down on me.  And again, you are the one who resorted to vulgar language.  You’re a total hypocrite because you acted like a middle school kid with your vulgar remarks and you accuse me of acting childish??  I may be harsh at times yes, but I admit my actions and stand by them and am no hypocrite.
    Karmic,
    Thank you for echoing my thoughts on why women gave Karen a “free pass”.  Gee when I made that remark I got chewed to pieces. 

  20. 80
    Karmic Equation

    @Goldie
     
    I found your “Are you fucking serious” comment serious misuse of feminine outrage…And I felt that if you were trying to sound cool, you failed. Instead it made you sound like an out of control, emotional woman, making a mountain out of yet another mole hill.
    Save the feminine outrage for something deserving of that. Like when your man comes home at 4am in the morning. Not for disagreement over how a stranger argues about commentary on a video. Seriously?

  21. 81
    Goldie

    Uhhh, sorry, I have to answer this.
     
    “And I felt that if you were trying to sound cool, you failed.”
     
    Um, nope. That’s how I talk. Like I said, I’ve worked in mostly male environments all my life and have two teenage sons. I have to make an effort not to talk like that. I have to watch what I say to make sure nothing like that slips through. Obviously, when I lost my… ummm… poop, something slipped through. Just setting things straight. I am honestly surprised that this word made it past the mods, my posts have been edited here before once or twice.
     
    I’m going to ignore the rest of your guys’ posts if you don’t mind, but I had to come back to this.

  22. 82
    Selena

    Interesting the different takes on this video.
    Mine is that understanding of the sexuality spectrum is more accepted now than it was in previous generations…BUT… not everyone wants to explore the whole spectrum.  The message? Don’t bow to peer pressure when it comes to same gender sex?  Lyrics were crude to me, but might be helpful to someone in that age bracket who’s feeling pressured get ‘experience’ just because it’s in fashion.

  23. 83
    Paula

    What’s the big deal here? Not everyone is going to like this video. I didn’t. I thought it was cheesy. I normally find their videos funny, this one… not so much.
    It’s not the end of the world if people don’t agree. I respect the feelings of those who liked the video. That respect should be mutual.

  24. 84
    Locutus

    Paula,
    Go back and reread the comments.  The debate was not over whether you thought it was a humuorous video or not, it was over Karen calling the video hurtful.  If you just didn’t find the video humorous that is just fine.  I don’t find all comedy funny, some of it is stupid and doesn’t make me laugh.  However, it was not a question of humor.  Karen called the video hurtful and many disagreed with Karen’s belief that it was hurtful and found that response to be ludicrous and a total overreaction.  I do not respect when something simply made to be funny is blown out of proportion and made into a huge deal.  It’s making a mountain out of a mole hill.  The argument was about something that went a lot deeper than just the simple video and whether you were amused by it or not.  Next time read a little deeper into the comments. 

  25. 85
    Genevieve

    This has just rendered your blog useless to me henceforward. Why, why, why? 

    1. 85.1
      Evan Marc Katz

      Why are you so sensitive that you’d willingly ignore free valuable dating advice? You got me.

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