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		<title>By: Locutus</title>
		<link>http://www.evanmarckatz.com/blog/the-college-try-garfunkel-and-oates/comment-page-2/#comment-687819</link>
		<dc:creator>Locutus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Feb 2013 04:09:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Paula,
Go back and reread the comments.  The debate was not over whether you thought it was a humuorous video or not, it was over Karen calling the video hurtful.  If you just didn&#039;t find the video humorous that is just fine.  I don&#039;t find all comedy funny, some of it is stupid and doesn&#039;t make me laugh.  However, it was not a question of humor.  Karen called the video hurtful and many disagreed with Karen&#039;s belief that it was hurtful and found that response to be ludicrous and a total overreaction.  I do not respect when something simply made to be funny is blown out of proportion and made into a huge deal.  It&#039;s making a mountain out of a mole hill.  The argument was about something that went a lot deeper than just the simple video and whether you were amused by it or not.  Next time read a little deeper into the comments. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paula,<br />
Go back and reread the comments.  The debate was not over whether you thought it was a humuorous video or not, it was over Karen calling the video hurtful.  If you just didn&#8217;t find the video humorous that is just fine.  I don&#8217;t find all comedy funny, some of it is stupid and doesn&#8217;t make me laugh.  However, it was not a question of humor.  Karen called the video hurtful and many disagreed with Karen&#8217;s belief that it was hurtful and found that response to be ludicrous and a total overreaction.  I do not respect when something simply made to be funny is blown out of proportion and made into a huge deal.  It&#8217;s making a mountain out of a mole hill.  The argument was about something that went a lot deeper than just the simple video and whether you were amused by it or not.  Next time read a little deeper into the comments. </p>
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		<title>By: Paula</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paula</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Feb 2013 20:49:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What&#039;s the big deal here? Not everyone is going to like this video. I didn&#039;t. I thought it was cheesy. I normally find their videos funny, this one... not so much.
It&#039;s not the end of the world if people don&#039;t agree. I respect the feelings of those who liked the video. That respect should be mutual.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What&#8217;s the big deal here? Not everyone is going to like this video. I didn&#8217;t. I thought it was cheesy. I normally find their videos funny, this one&#8230; not so much.<br />
It&#8217;s not the end of the world if people don&#8217;t agree. I respect the feelings of those who liked the video. That respect should be mutual.</p>
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		<title>By: Selena</title>
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		<dc:creator>Selena</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Jan 2013 01:40:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Interesting the different takes on this video.
Mine is that understanding of the sexuality spectrum is more accepted now than it was in previous generations...BUT... not everyone wants to explore the whole spectrum.  The message? Don&#039;t bow to peer pressure when it comes to same gender sex?  Lyrics were crude to me, but might be helpful to someone in that age bracket who&#039;s feeling pressured get &#039;experience&#039; just because it&#039;s in fashion.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting the different takes on this video.<br />
Mine is that understanding of the sexuality spectrum is more accepted now than it was in previous generations&#8230;BUT&#8230; not everyone wants to explore the whole spectrum.  The message? Don&#8217;t bow to peer pressure when it comes to same gender sex?  Lyrics were crude to me, but might be helpful to someone in that age bracket who&#8217;s feeling pressured get &#8216;experience&#8217; just because it&#8217;s in fashion.</p>
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		<title>By: Goldie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Goldie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jan 2013 22:51:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Uhhh, sorry, I have to answer this.
 
&quot;And I felt that if you were trying to sound cool, you failed.&quot;
 
Um, nope. That&#039;s how I talk. Like I said, I&#039;ve worked in mostly male environments all my life and have two teenage sons. I have to make an effort not to talk like that. I have to watch what I say to make sure nothing like that slips through. Obviously, when I lost my... ummm... poop, something slipped through. Just setting things straight. I am honestly surprised that this word made it past the mods, my posts have been edited here before once or twice.
 
I&#039;m going to ignore the rest of your guys&#039; posts if you don&#039;t mind, but I had to come back to this.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Uhhh, sorry, I have to answer this.<br />
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&#8220;And I felt that if you were trying to sound cool, you failed.&#8221;<br />
 <br />
Um, nope. That&#8217;s how I talk. Like I said, I&#8217;ve worked in mostly male environments all my life and have two teenage sons. I have to make an effort not to talk like that. I have to watch what I say to make sure nothing like that slips through. Obviously, when I lost my&#8230; ummm&#8230; poop, something slipped through. Just setting things straight. I am honestly surprised that this word made it past the mods, my posts have been edited here before once or twice.<br />
 <br />
I&#8217;m going to ignore the rest of your guys&#8217; posts if you don&#8217;t mind, but I had to come back to this.</p>
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		<title>By: Karmic Equation</title>
		<link>http://www.evanmarckatz.com/blog/the-college-try-garfunkel-and-oates/comment-page-2/#comment-671618</link>
		<dc:creator>Karmic Equation</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jan 2013 21:29:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Goldie
 
I found your &quot;Are you fucking serious&quot; comment serious misuse of feminine outrage...And I felt that if you were trying to sound cool, you failed. Instead it made you sound like an out of control, emotional woman, making a mountain out of yet another mole hill. 
Save the feminine outrage for something deserving of that. Like when your man comes home at 4am in the morning. Not for disagreement over how a stranger argues about commentary on a video. Seriously?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Goldie<br />
 <br />
I found your &#8220;Are you fucking serious&#8221; comment serious misuse of feminine outrage&#8230;And I felt that if you were trying to sound cool, you failed. Instead it made you sound like an out of control, emotional woman, making a mountain out of yet another mole hill.<br />
Save the feminine outrage for something deserving of that. Like when your man comes home at 4am in the morning. Not for disagreement over how a stranger argues about commentary on a video. Seriously?</p>
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		<title>By: Locutus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Locutus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jan 2013 19:45:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I will just say that I am not &quot;interested in winning&quot;.  However, I am interested in what is right and what is the truth.  And like I said most of my later remarks were because people cited my name and insulted me.  I would have been done posting in this discussion long before that if I had not been singled out and personally insulted.
Oh Goldie,
You continue to bash don&#039;t ya.  You&#039;re NOT innocent at all.  I see in your followup comment you still have to refer to my posts as &quot;middle school drama&quot;.  I think you&#039;re a stuck up snob as you seem to always write posts as if you are looking down on me.  And again, you are the one who resorted to vulgar language.  You&#039;re a total hypocrite because you acted like a middle school kid with your vulgar remarks and you accuse me of acting childish??  I may be harsh at times yes, but I admit my actions and stand by them and am no hypocrite.
Karmic,
Thank you for echoing my thoughts on why women gave Karen a &quot;free pass&quot;.  Gee when I made that remark I got chewed to pieces. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I will just say that I am not &#8220;interested in winning&#8221;.  However, I am interested in what is right and what is the truth.  And like I said most of my later remarks were because people cited my name and insulted me.  I would have been done posting in this discussion long before that if I had not been singled out and personally insulted.<br />
Oh Goldie,<br />
You continue to bash don&#8217;t ya.  You&#8217;re NOT innocent at all.  I see in your followup comment you still have to refer to my posts as &#8220;middle school drama&#8221;.  I think you&#8217;re a stuck up snob as you seem to always write posts as if you are looking down on me.  And again, you are the one who resorted to vulgar language.  You&#8217;re a total hypocrite because you acted like a middle school kid with your vulgar remarks and you accuse me of acting childish??  I may be harsh at times yes, but I admit my actions and stand by them and am no hypocrite.<br />
Karmic,<br />
Thank you for echoing my thoughts on why women gave Karen a &#8220;free pass&#8221;.  Gee when I made that remark I got chewed to pieces. </p>
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		<title>By: Goldie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Goldie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jan 2013 18:40:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;It was really interesting how the flames got fanned higher and higher due to the Mars &amp; Venus communications. Locutus was trying to be rational and support his arguments with listing supportive posts, but Goldie felt that he was childish because he was listing the posts. She tried to counter a rational argument with an emotional one. Hence both sides flared up even higher because neither was trying to understand the other, but was more interested in being “right” or “winning”.
If both sides were interested in the goal of “mutual understanding” instead of winning, then this thread would have been less dramatic and more productive.
Just my observation.&quot;
 
Wow, what an interesting observation. My opinion of the video itself is probably closer to Locutus&#039; than to Karen&#039;s. What I disagree with is telling someone &quot;you are wrong because everyone else thinks you are&quot;, followed by list of names, followed by list of posts. Which in turn is followed by asking other posts &quot;why didn&#039;t you blast Karen&quot; and &quot;why didn&#039;t anyone blast two other posters (names) for attacking me&quot;.
 
I am not interested in being right or winning, geez. I am already winning at life as far as I understand it, and have no need to be winning on an online forum. I have however been posting here for about three years. I like reading the comment section on this blog as it is usually very informative. And you&#039;re right, it did upset me a bit to see one person try to turn it into a middle-school drama-fest. His last half-dozen or so posts are not even about the video at all. They are instead about some weird Karen-shaming and calling people out for not disagreeing with her harshly enough.
 
I honestly think this horse has been beaten to death. Unless I see anything constructive and related to the video, I promise I won&#039;t be replying anymore. I&#039;ve added more than I should&#039;ve to this cluster as it is.
 
&quot;She tried to counter a rational argument with an emotional one.&quot;
 
That made me laugh. Thanks.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;It was really interesting how the flames got fanned higher and higher due to the Mars &amp; Venus communications. Locutus was trying to be rational and support his arguments with listing supportive posts, but Goldie felt that he was childish because he was listing the posts. She tried to counter a rational argument with an emotional one. Hence both sides flared up even higher because neither was trying to understand the other, but was more interested in being “right” or “winning”.<br />
If both sides were interested in the goal of “mutual understanding” instead of winning, then this thread would have been less dramatic and more productive.<br />
Just my observation.&#8221;<br />
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Wow, what an interesting observation. My opinion of the video itself is probably closer to Locutus&#8217; than to Karen&#8217;s. What I disagree with is telling someone &#8220;you are wrong because everyone else thinks you are&#8221;, followed by list of names, followed by list of posts. Which in turn is followed by asking other posts &#8220;why didn&#8217;t you blast Karen&#8221; and &#8220;why didn&#8217;t anyone blast two other posters (names) for attacking me&#8221;.<br />
 <br />
I am not interested in being right or winning, geez. I am already winning at life as far as I understand it, and have no need to be winning on an online forum. I have however been posting here for about three years. I like reading the comment section on this blog as it is usually very informative. And you&#8217;re right, it did upset me a bit to see one person try to turn it into a middle-school drama-fest. His last half-dozen or so posts are not even about the video at all. They are instead about some weird Karen-shaming and calling people out for not disagreeing with her harshly enough.<br />
 <br />
I honestly think this horse has been beaten to death. Unless I see anything constructive and related to the video, I promise I won&#8217;t be replying anymore. I&#8217;ve added more than I should&#8217;ve to this cluster as it is.<br />
 <br />
&#8220;She tried to counter a rational argument with an emotional one.&#8221;<br />
 <br />
That made me laugh. Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: Karmic Equation</title>
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		<dc:creator>Karmic Equation</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jan 2013 16:35:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think the women here gave Karen too much of a free pass, because she said &quot;It&#039;s been my experience&quot; as if that validates the truth of her statements.

Suppose I had dated only two men in my life, and both men raped me. Then I say to everyone, &quot;All men are rapists, that has been my experience.&quot; What would all of you who are in happy relationships and/or dated good men have to say? I think you would say, &quot;I&#039;m sorry that happened to you, but you need to have a better pecker picker. Not all men are rapists. You need to adjust how you choose men.&quot;

I&#039;d say the same thing about the women that Karen alludes to. Ask them to change their mindset and look for the positives and don&#039;t take things personally that shouldn&#039;t be. Get some perspective and therapy if necessary.

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It was really interesting how the flames got fanned higher and higher due to the Mars &amp; Venus communications. Locutus was trying to be rational and support his arguments with listing supportive posts, but Goldie felt that he was childish because he was listing the posts. She tried to counter a rational argument with an emotional one. Hence both sides flared up even higher because neither was trying to understand the other, but was more interested in being &quot;right&quot; or &quot;winning&quot;.

If both sides were interested in the goal of &quot;mutual understanding&quot; instead of winning, then this thread would have been less dramatic and more productive.

Just my observation.

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@marymary

Hmmm...Interesting. Since I like my neck and ears nuzzled...I&#039;m gonna have to try that instead of perfume!

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Funny story (at least funny to me, YMMV) -- It&#039;s pretty apparent that many women here don&#039;t watch too much porn. I don&#039;t watch a lot, but enough. One time, an ex-bf commented, &quot;Wow that chick is so roast beefy.&quot; I said, &quot;Huh, what does that mean?&quot; He explained, my eyes widened. &quot;You guys have a name for THAT??!!?&quot; If you still don&#039;t know, obviously porn women have been well used and get flappy down there. Need I say more? So &quot;roast beef&quot; is actually not a derogative, but rather a descriptive.

Other words in the male lexicon that women may not know about:
&quot;Queef&quot; (not sure if it&#039;s spelled that way) - the farty sounds from the vagina after vigorous sex
&quot;Winter bush&quot; - I laughed so hard when I heard Howard stern used this term, no explanation required.
&quot;Raw dogging&quot; - unprotected sex
&quot;Red wings&quot; - Something a guy ears by performing oral sex on a woman when she is menstruating. Some men are pround of this. (ew!)
&quot;Camel toe&quot; - well, let&#039;s just say men notice this if you go commando in spandex.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the women here gave Karen too much of a free pass, because she said &#8220;It&#8217;s been my experience&#8221; as if that validates the truth of her statements.</p>
<p>Suppose I had dated only two men in my life, and both men raped me. Then I say to everyone, &#8220;All men are rapists, that has been my experience.&#8221; What would all of you who are in happy relationships and/or dated good men have to say? I think you would say, &#8220;I&#8217;m sorry that happened to you, but you need to have a better pecker picker. Not all men are rapists. You need to adjust how you choose men.&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;d say the same thing about the women that Karen alludes to. Ask them to change their mindset and look for the positives and don&#8217;t take things personally that shouldn&#8217;t be. Get some perspective and therapy if necessary.</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;-</p>
<p>It was really interesting how the flames got fanned higher and higher due to the Mars &amp; Venus communications. Locutus was trying to be rational and support his arguments with listing supportive posts, but Goldie felt that he was childish because he was listing the posts. She tried to counter a rational argument with an emotional one. Hence both sides flared up even higher because neither was trying to understand the other, but was more interested in being &#8220;right&#8221; or &#8220;winning&#8221;.</p>
<p>If both sides were interested in the goal of &#8220;mutual understanding&#8221; instead of winning, then this thread would have been less dramatic and more productive.</p>
<p>Just my observation.</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;</p>
<p>@marymary</p>
<p>Hmmm&#8230;Interesting. Since I like my neck and ears nuzzled&#8230;I&#8217;m gonna have to try that instead of perfume!</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;</p>
<p>Funny story (at least funny to me, YMMV) &#8212; It&#8217;s pretty apparent that many women here don&#8217;t watch too much porn. I don&#8217;t watch a lot, but enough. One time, an ex-bf commented, &#8220;Wow that chick is so roast beefy.&#8221; I said, &#8220;Huh, what does that mean?&#8221; He explained, my eyes widened. &#8220;You guys have a name for THAT??!!?&#8221; If you still don&#8217;t know, obviously porn women have been well used and get flappy down there. Need I say more? So &#8220;roast beef&#8221; is actually not a derogative, but rather a descriptive.</p>
<p>Other words in the male lexicon that women may not know about:<br />
&#8220;Queef&#8221; (not sure if it&#8217;s spelled that way) &#8211; the farty sounds from the vagina after vigorous sex<br />
&#8220;Winter bush&#8221; &#8211; I laughed so hard when I heard Howard stern used this term, no explanation required.<br />
&#8220;Raw dogging&#8221; &#8211; unprotected sex<br />
&#8220;Red wings&#8221; &#8211; Something a guy ears by performing oral sex on a woman when she is menstruating. Some men are pround of this. (ew!)<br />
&#8220;Camel toe&#8221; &#8211; well, let&#8217;s just say men notice this if you go commando in spandex.</p>
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		<title>By: Evan Marc Katz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Evan Marc Katz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jan 2013 00:59:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Enough, kids.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Enough, kids.</p>
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		<title>By: Locutus</title>
		<link>http://www.evanmarckatz.com/blog/the-college-try-garfunkel-and-oates/comment-page-2/#comment-669458</link>
		<dc:creator>Locutus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jan 2013 23:46:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Cat#77,
Your post is so tangled and interwoven that I can&#039;t even accurately follow what you are saying.  One needs a flow chart to follow it.  From what I can make of it I&#039;ll say that no you didn&#039;t read the posts that well at all unless you have a comprehension defficiency.  I&#039;ll say it again, my post you cited #59 was a response to Eleanor as she came in and insulted me off the bat which stemmed from another discussion- not even this one.  You haven&#039;t mentioned Eleanor&#039;s post #58 AT ALL and that&#039;s what my post #59 was ALL ABOUT!  Do you now see what I&#039;m talking about?  That is why I said go back and read it.  Do you now comprehend?  Your mind seems to be devoid of structure.  Try taking a course in linear algebra.  It will help your mind to learn structure and order.
It&#039;s funny how you have called me childish about 4 or 5 times between both of your posts just because you didn&#039;t like what I posted.  What&#039;s wrong, do you get all flustered when things don&#039;t go your way that you have to pout and call someone names?  You sound really immature with the name calling- remininiscent of a 2nd grade student.  Hmmm, who is the childish one now?  I recall some people posting once about irony.  Well, if this is not ironic I don&#039;t know what is....]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cat#77,<br />
Your post is so tangled and interwoven that I can&#8217;t even accurately follow what you are saying.  One needs a flow chart to follow it.  From what I can make of it I&#8217;ll say that no you didn&#8217;t read the posts that well at all unless you have a comprehension defficiency.  I&#8217;ll say it again, my post you cited #59 was a response to Eleanor as she came in and insulted me off the bat which stemmed from another discussion- not even this one.  You haven&#8217;t mentioned Eleanor&#8217;s post #58 AT ALL and that&#8217;s what my post #59 was ALL ABOUT!  Do you now see what I&#8217;m talking about?  That is why I said go back and read it.  Do you now comprehend?  Your mind seems to be devoid of structure.  Try taking a course in linear algebra.  It will help your mind to learn structure and order.<br />
It&#8217;s funny how you have called me childish about 4 or 5 times between both of your posts just because you didn&#8217;t like what I posted.  What&#8217;s wrong, do you get all flustered when things don&#8217;t go your way that you have to pout and call someone names?  You sound really immature with the name calling- remininiscent of a 2nd grade student.  Hmmm, who is the childish one now?  I recall some people posting once about irony.  Well, if this is not ironic I don&#8217;t know what is&#8230;.</p>
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