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		<title>By: Christa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Mar 2011 19:22:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I can understand both sides of these comments. Speaking in generalities, I think woman today either enjoy creating drama and conflict or are so accustomed to it that they don&#039;t understand when it happens. 

If it isn&#039;t a big deal, say &#039;yes.&#039; Life is so much more enjoyable when you can easily go with the flow instead of trying to re-direct it every step of the way. 

However, this post did make me uncomfortable, but for a different reason. In the interest of full disclosure, I should explain that I was married for 17 years and said &quot;yes&quot; 90% of the time. Growing up with an alcoholic father I learned never to stand up to a male adult. 

Similar to Goldie&#039;s situation, my ex&#039;s contribution to our marriage was a paycheck. He never cooked, never shopped for groceries, never did the wash. I handled all aspects of our lives (kids, money, taxes, home remodeling, etc). He never met our pediatrician or signed a tax return until after our divorce. Anytime I wanted him to help out, I felt like I was inconveniencing him. He also had a temper so I always backed down quickly.

Would you believe that in 17 years of marriage, he never once took me out for my birthday or cooked me dinner? However, I allowed all of this to happen. It took me many years to work through my own issues and realize that I wasn&#039;t lucky to be married to him. That, in fact, the relationship was emotionally toxic for me. 

So, does this mean that Evan&#039;s advice is wrong? No. It means that I&#039;ve grown enough in my own confidence to know where to draw the line. I understand and agree that saying &#039;yes&#039; when it&#039;s no big deal is almost always the best response. There are exceptions to this rule, but that&#039;s not what this post is referencing. In a normal, healthy relationship, this advice is golden. And I believe the advice should be applied equal to both parties: male and female.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can understand both sides of these comments. Speaking in generalities, I think woman today either enjoy creating drama and conflict or are so accustomed to it that they don&#8217;t understand when it happens. </p>
<p>If it isn&#8217;t a big deal, say &#8216;yes.&#8217; Life is so much more enjoyable when you can easily go with the flow instead of trying to re-direct it every step of the way. </p>
<p>However, this post did make me uncomfortable, but for a different reason. In the interest of full disclosure, I should explain that I was married for 17 years and said &#8220;yes&#8221; 90% of the time. Growing up with an alcoholic father I learned never to stand up to a male adult. </p>
<p>Similar to Goldie&#8217;s situation, my ex&#8217;s contribution to our marriage was a paycheck. He never cooked, never shopped for groceries, never did the wash. I handled all aspects of our lives (kids, money, taxes, home remodeling, etc). He never met our pediatrician or signed a tax return until after our divorce. Anytime I wanted him to help out, I felt like I was inconveniencing him. He also had a temper so I always backed down quickly.</p>
<p>Would you believe that in 17 years of marriage, he never once took me out for my birthday or cooked me dinner? However, I allowed all of this to happen. It took me many years to work through my own issues and realize that I wasn&#8217;t lucky to be married to him. That, in fact, the relationship was emotionally toxic for me. </p>
<p>So, does this mean that Evan&#8217;s advice is wrong? No. It means that I&#8217;ve grown enough in my own confidence to know where to draw the line. I understand and agree that saying &#8216;yes&#8217; when it&#8217;s no big deal is almost always the best response. There are exceptions to this rule, but that&#8217;s not what this post is referencing. In a normal, healthy relationship, this advice is golden. And I believe the advice should be applied equal to both parties: male and female.</p>
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		<title>By: nell</title>
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		<dc:creator>nell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Mar 2011 16:54:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I ve tried more than once to be a &quot;yes&quot; woman, and with my boyfriend it does work i must say, i start seeing new aspects of his personality he becomes more assertive, suggests more things ecc. also saying &quot;yes&quot; is a bit like opening up for the relationship, i think. it makes place for some extra connection. BUT then... after a while this &quot;yes&quot;, or just a neutral approach, like, &quot;yes, be the man, guide me through life, i m your little princess&quot; kind of attitude, feels like my personal power of character that i have inside is just piling up while i fake to be nice and vunerable for the sake of femininity. can&#039;t we just accept that women today are not necessarily submissive and without initiative, like they were once expected to be? not all of us are like that. can men accept that? most of the time i just feel like i m in between like one historical phase is over for the women but the transformation is not over yet, so we don&#039;t know what to do or how to be our strong assertive successful self without scaring away or disgusting men?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I ve tried more than once to be a &#8220;yes&#8221; woman, and with my boyfriend it does work i must say, i start seeing new aspects of his personality he becomes more assertive, suggests more things ecc. also saying &#8220;yes&#8221; is a bit like opening up for the relationship, i think. it makes place for some extra connection. BUT then&#8230; after a while this &#8220;yes&#8221;, or just a neutral approach, like, &#8220;yes, be the man, guide me through life, i m your little princess&#8221; kind of attitude, feels like my personal power of character that i have inside is just piling up while i fake to be nice and vunerable for the sake of femininity. can&#8217;t we just accept that women today are not necessarily submissive and without initiative, like they were once expected to be? not all of us are like that. can men accept that? most of the time i just feel like i m in between like one historical phase is over for the women but the transformation is not over yet, so we don&#8217;t know what to do or how to be our strong assertive successful self without scaring away or disgusting men?</p>
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		<title>By: Jadafisk</title>
		<link>http://www.evanmarckatz.com/blog/why-being-a-yes-person-makes-men-fall-in-love/comment-page-1/#comment-139674</link>
		<dc:creator>Jadafisk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Feb 2011 04:02:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[See, I have a problem. I am the fun sexy girl that doesn&#039;t sweat the small stuff, who accepts the guy for who he is and embraces new and unconventional experiences. But then he (this has happened more than once) decides that who he was when he met me is not who he wants to be anymore*, so he changes his life drastically, then &quot;transcends&quot; me. I can&#039;t tell if I&#039;m the 12th step or the &quot;rock bottom&quot; that precedes joining the program. I also assume that they may also change their self-professed feelings about comittment and follow that up by embarking on a search for someone that they&#039;d ideally prefer to commit to and becoming a more stereotypically acceptable candidate for comittment themselves.

*I date my age peers, and I understand that the mid twenties is a time of tumult, transition and discovery for many people... I&#039;m just wondering why the journey seems to necessitate divergence in my case..]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>See, I have a problem. I am the fun sexy girl that doesn&#8217;t sweat the small stuff, who accepts the guy for who he is and embraces new and unconventional experiences. But then he (this has happened more than once) decides that who he was when he met me is not who he wants to be anymore*, so he changes his life drastically, then &#8220;transcends&#8221; me. I can&#8217;t tell if I&#8217;m the 12th step or the &#8220;rock bottom&#8221; that precedes joining the program. I also assume that they may also change their self-professed feelings about comittment and follow that up by embarking on a search for someone that they&#8217;d ideally prefer to commit to and becoming a more stereotypically acceptable candidate for comittment themselves.</p>
<p>*I date my age peers, and I understand that the mid twenties is a time of tumult, transition and discovery for many people&#8230; I&#8217;m just wondering why the journey seems to necessitate divergence in my case..</p>
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		<title>By: starthrower68</title>
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		<dc:creator>starthrower68</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Feb 2011 19:34:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@ Nancy #19,

I understand the spirit of your post, but if you&#039;re determined to try to ride out a relationship with a narcissist, you probably need to go to a professional counselor for that.  I&#039;ve dealt with a few of these; since these types don&#039;t believe they have a problem, there&#039;s no living with them.  It&#039;s not even productive to try.  For a narcissist to stop being a narcissist, he or she has to suffer some sort of event that pretty much shakes their foundation and their unrealistic view of themselves.  That&#039;s a lot more drama than any of us probably want to deal with. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Nancy #19,</p>
<p>I understand the spirit of your post, but if you&#8217;re determined to try to ride out a relationship with a narcissist, you probably need to go to a professional counselor for that.  I&#8217;ve dealt with a few of these; since these types don&#8217;t believe they have a problem, there&#8217;s no living with them.  It&#8217;s not even productive to try.  For a narcissist to stop being a narcissist, he or she has to suffer some sort of event that pretty much shakes their foundation and their unrealistic view of themselves.  That&#8217;s a lot more drama than any of us probably want to deal with. </p>
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		<title>By: Ruby</title>
		<link>http://www.evanmarckatz.com/blog/why-being-a-yes-person-makes-men-fall-in-love/comment-page-1/#comment-139326</link>
		<dc:creator>Ruby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Feb 2011 17:34:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I once read in a relationship book by Tracy Cabot that in an equal partnership, one person gets to be the boss 25% of the time, the other gets to be the boss 25% of the time, and the other 50% of the time, nobody is boss because you both end up compromising. Well, at least it&#039;s supposed to work that way!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I once read in a relationship book by Tracy Cabot that in an equal partnership, one person gets to be the boss 25% of the time, the other gets to be the boss 25% of the time, and the other 50% of the time, nobody is boss because you both end up compromising. Well, at least it&#8217;s supposed to work that way!</p>
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		<title>By: Evan Marc Katz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Evan Marc Katz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Feb 2011 17:12:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Simply put, Nancy:

Who is to blame for you spending 25 years with a narcissist who couldn&#039;t take &quot;yes&quot; for an answer?

You.

If you&#039;re with a man who is &quot;pathologically incapable of giving love&quot;, I&#039;d think you should realize this before you hit the altar and break up with him. No advice. No tricks. No technique. 

Dump him.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Simply put, Nancy:</p>
<p>Who is to blame for you spending 25 years with a narcissist who couldn&#8217;t take &#8220;yes&#8221; for an answer?</p>
<p>You.</p>
<p>If you&#8217;re with a man who is &#8220;pathologically incapable of giving love&#8221;, I&#8217;d think you should realize this before you hit the altar and break up with him. No advice. No tricks. No technique. </p>
<p>Dump him.</p>
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		<title>By: Goldie</title>
		<link>http://www.evanmarckatz.com/blog/why-being-a-yes-person-makes-men-fall-in-love/comment-page-1/#comment-139298</link>
		<dc:creator>Goldie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Feb 2011 16:00:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@ Karl #18:
 
&quot;I don’t have that degree of insight into what my girlfriend does, or   what things she considers to be a sacrifice. How could I possibly  determine where &lt;em&gt;“halfway”&lt;/em&gt; is, when I accurately measure one half, and most likely undercount the other half?&quot;
 
By &quot;meeting each other halfway&quot;, I mean &quot;working out a solution that is acceptable for both sides&quot;, not &quot;each person giving 50.00%&quot; - that would be just silly and counterproductive. I meant that, in a relationship that is ideal for me, rather than saying &quot;yes&quot; (or &quot;no&quot;, for that matter) to everything my partner throws at me, I should be able to say: &quot;this won&#039;t work very well for me because of X. How about we do Y or Z instead?&quot; and my partner would be able to discuss it so we can work out a compromise *together*, or give me convincing enough arguments so I can see things his way. And he should be able to do the same.
 
Otherwise, like someone above said, it&#039;s not going to be a &quot;YES&quot;. It&#039;s going to be a &quot;WHATEVER&quot;. Not a good foundation for a relationship.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Karl #18:<br />
 <br />
&#8220;I don’t have that degree of insight into what my girlfriend does, or   what things she considers to be a sacrifice. How could I possibly  determine where <em>“halfway”</em> is, when I accurately measure one half, and most likely undercount the other half?&#8221;<br />
 <br />
By &#8220;meeting each other halfway&#8221;, I mean &#8220;working out a solution that is acceptable for both sides&#8221;, not &#8220;each person giving 50.00%&#8221; &#8211; that would be just silly and counterproductive. I meant that, in a relationship that is ideal for me, rather than saying &#8220;yes&#8221; (or &#8220;no&#8221;, for that matter) to everything my partner throws at me, I should be able to say: &#8220;this won&#8217;t work very well for me because of X. How about we do Y or Z instead?&#8221; and my partner would be able to discuss it so we can work out a compromise *together*, or give me convincing enough arguments so I can see things his way. And he should be able to do the same.<br />
 <br />
Otherwise, like someone above said, it&#8217;s not going to be a &#8220;YES&#8221;. It&#8217;s going to be a &#8220;WHATEVER&#8221;. Not a good foundation for a relationship.</p>
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		<title>By: Nancy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nancy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Feb 2011 12:46:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Evan-
Your advice sounds simple and obvious and perhaps many of us do miss the mark in this area, but there is something you have to consider. There are many men out there on dating sites who have narcissistic and borderline personality disorders, I know- I&#039;ve been in relationships with these creeps! If you want to be in a relationship with these afflicted men you have to become a Yes Woman or a variation on a Stepford wife and even then it won&#039;t be enough! Why don&#039;t you address these disorders, the red flags, and advice woman how to avoid abusive relationships? It is very likely that many of your devoted blog readers are in relationships with or are embarking on relationships with men who are pathologically incapable of giving love and the scary part is that these men present as the ideal boyfriends in the beginning in order to attain narcissistic supply, then you begin a journey of abuse, confusion and sadness. The only way to exist in these relationships is by becoming a Yes-Woman and by doing so you are complicit with their behavior!Please speak about this important subject, I wasted 25 years being married to a narcissist and just broke off a relationship with a borderline man.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Evan-<br />
Your advice sounds simple and obvious and perhaps many of us do miss the mark in this area, but there is something you have to consider. There are many men out there on dating sites who have narcissistic and borderline personality disorders, I know- I&#8217;ve been in relationships with these creeps! If you want to be in a relationship with these afflicted men you have to become a Yes Woman or a variation on a Stepford wife and even then it won&#8217;t be enough! Why don&#8217;t you address these disorders, the red flags, and advice woman how to avoid abusive relationships? It is very likely that many of your devoted blog readers are in relationships with or are embarking on relationships with men who are pathologically incapable of giving love and the scary part is that these men present as the ideal boyfriends in the beginning in order to attain narcissistic supply, then you begin a journey of abuse, confusion and sadness. The only way to exist in these relationships is by becoming a Yes-Woman and by doing so you are complicit with their behavior!Please speak about this important subject, I wasted 25 years being married to a narcissist and just broke off a relationship with a borderline man.</p>
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		<title>By: Karl R</title>
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		<dc:creator>Karl R</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Feb 2011 15:43:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;strong&gt;Goldie asked:&lt;/strong&gt; (#11)
&lt;em&gt;&quot;What happened to meeting each other halfway?&quot;
&lt;/em&gt;
If both of you &lt;em&gt;are&lt;/em&gt; contributing equally, both of you will &lt;em&gt;feel&lt;/em&gt; that you&#039;re putting more in than your partner.

I know &lt;em&gt;everything&lt;/em&gt; that I contribute to my relationship. I know which &quot;little things&quot; actually are big sacrifices for me.

I don&#039;t have that degree of insight into what my girlfriend does, or  what things she considers to be a sacrifice. How could I possibly determine where &lt;em&gt;&quot;halfway&quot;&lt;/em&gt; is, when I accurately measure one half, and most likely undercount the other half?

&lt;strong&gt;Honey said:&lt;/strong&gt; (#12)
&lt;em&gt;&quot;many times guys don’t even realize you’re compromising unless you tell them…which kind of defeats the point because then it’s obvious you’re keeping score.&quot;
&lt;/em&gt;
I really don&#039;t understand what you&#039;re trying to say. What is the &quot;point&quot; that you think is being defeated?

To me, compromise serves two purposes. First, it helps the relationship run more smoothly. Second, it ensures that &lt;em&gt;neither&lt;/em&gt; person is constantly giving in to the other person.

If you let someone know that you&#039;ve done something for them, it serves the second purpose. And it certainly doesn&#039;t sound like &lt;em&gt;I&#039;m&lt;/em&gt; keeping score when I do it. Probably because I&#039;m &lt;em&gt;not&lt;/em&gt; keeping score.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Goldie asked:</strong> (#11)<br />
<em>&#8220;What happened to meeting each other halfway?&#8221;<br />
</em><br />
If both of you <em>are</em> contributing equally, both of you will <em>feel</em> that you&#8217;re putting more in than your partner.</p>
<p>I know <em>everything</em> that I contribute to my relationship. I know which &#8220;little things&#8221; actually are big sacrifices for me.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t have that degree of insight into what my girlfriend does, or  what things she considers to be a sacrifice. How could I possibly determine where <em>&#8220;halfway&#8221;</em> is, when I accurately measure one half, and most likely undercount the other half?</p>
<p><strong>Honey said:</strong> (#12)<br />
<em>&#8220;many times guys don’t even realize you’re compromising unless you tell them…which kind of defeats the point because then it’s obvious you’re keeping score.&#8221;<br />
</em><br />
I really don&#8217;t understand what you&#8217;re trying to say. What is the &#8220;point&#8221; that you think is being defeated?</p>
<p>To me, compromise serves two purposes. First, it helps the relationship run more smoothly. Second, it ensures that <em>neither</em> person is constantly giving in to the other person.</p>
<p>If you let someone know that you&#8217;ve done something for them, it serves the second purpose. And it certainly doesn&#8217;t sound like <em>I&#8217;m</em> keeping score when I do it. Probably because I&#8217;m <em>not</em> keeping score.</p>
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		<title>By: Jackie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jackie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Feb 2011 01:44:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t think Evan means for women to say &quot;yes&quot; to a point where they feel resentful.  That is giving out of an empty place and doesn&#039;t benefit the relationship.  Here&#039;s my strategy -- I always try to say yes to everything but if it&#039;s something I am not excited about, I figure out a way to turn it into something that would make me happy.  Examples:  He: I would like to go visit my mom for a few days.  Me:  Great, sounds fun.  Would you mind if we stayed nearby at a B&amp;B so we could have some romantic time, too?  Or:  Do you think while we&#039;re there your Aunt Josie would teach me how to make her fabulous peach pie? It takes some thought but we can take care of our needs while still being accomodating in most cases.  If I can&#039;t figure out a way to lenjoy it, then I go for the nice no.  Ex: Hey, it&#039;s great that you want to visit your mom. I think I&#039;ll stay here and have some alone time.  I&#039;ve been really needing it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think Evan means for women to say &#8220;yes&#8221; to a point where they feel resentful.  That is giving out of an empty place and doesn&#8217;t benefit the relationship.  Here&#8217;s my strategy &#8212; I always try to say yes to everything but if it&#8217;s something I am not excited about, I figure out a way to turn it into something that would make me happy.  Examples:  He: I would like to go visit my mom for a few days.  Me:  Great, sounds fun.  Would you mind if we stayed nearby at a B&amp;B so we could have some romantic time, too?  Or:  Do you think while we&#8217;re there your Aunt Josie would teach me how to make her fabulous peach pie? It takes some thought but we can take care of our needs while still being accomodating in most cases.  If I can&#8217;t figure out a way to lenjoy it, then I go for the nice no.  Ex: Hey, it&#8217;s great that you want to visit your mom. I think I&#8217;ll stay here and have some alone time.  I&#8217;ve been really needing it.</p>
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