Why Hot Guys and Girls Are Like Red Meat – They Will Kill You in the Long Run

Hello Evan;

I cannot begin to tell you what a difference our conversation has made in my life. I am so extremely grateful to you. I walked into two of my clients’ houses yesterday and they said, “What’s his name?” because they said I was glowing and luminous. They’ve only seen me look like that before when I was infatuated with a new man. But I now feel this way because a huge weight has been lifted and I have a new path and outlook for my future. Do you have any idea how HUGE that is? I hope I just gave you the compliment of the year because that is BIG stuff; to make that kind of a difference with one phone conversation. And I’m a tough sell… so take the compliment

“I just can’t even tell you. I’m a new person. You got through like know one else has ever been able to.”

I’ve already made changes and “cleaned house”. There are a couple of guys that still text me that before talking to you, I would occasionally go out with, simply because they’re hot and funny, but they have big problems I overlooked before. I’m no longer going to date them.

I have several men that I didn’t give a chance to, simply because I didn’t think they were sexy enough. I’m reconnecting with them. Last night I started talking to a guy who seems GREAT and is handsome, funny and seems really sincere. Prior to talking to you, I wouldn’t have gone out with him simply because he is 5′ 8″. I now think that’s silly and I’m definitely going to go on a date with him.

I just can’t even tell you. I’m a new person. You got through like no one else has ever been able to. I’m sure I’ll need another session soon, just to make sure I get on the right track with the next guy I date… but you showed me that my only problem has been chasing “lust”, not life partners.

xoxo

Michelle

This email literally brought tears to my eyes. Such a radical change – in just one phone call!

I feel very fortunate to have the opportunity to produce breakthrough results for special women and men who want more power and control over their love lives.

So if you’re confused about the current state of your relationship… if you wonder whether you’re investing time in the right partner or wasting time with the wrong one…if you are concerned that time is passing and you’re no closer to happiness than you were a year ago, don’t hesitate.

Just click here:

Alas, coaching is not free. If you want free advice, you can go read my blog archives.

But if you’re smart and serious about love – and have had the same issues with dating and relationships over and over and over again, coaching is the best investment you could ever make.

Just ask my newly empowered friend, Michelle.

Talk to you soon.

Your friend,

Evan

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34 Responses to “Why Hot Guys and Girls Are Like Red Meat – They Will Kill You in the Long Run”

Steve 1

My comment got lost in the switch over to the new blog ( nice! ) so I am posting it again.

In these conversations people always confuse being an insecure guy with being a nice guy. Women do like the latter quality, they just find the former quality to be a turn-off.

This essay is a bit of a rant, but it can help many people:
http://tinyurl.com/insecurenotnice

BTW, anyone who knows anything about cooking knows that vegetables make some of the tastiest dishes around:
http://www.chooseveg.com/vegan-recipes.asp

Almost on a weekly basis some new study is published about finding some near magical health giving property of produce.

FYI, poultry and even some types of fish have just as much, if not more cholesterol than red meet when those foods are measured by calorie.

End of sermon ( sorry, I just had to say it )
Steve 2

Post #1. Sorry about the typo. Not a deprived coffee drinker or blonde. Just got a weird minor neurological thing somewhere.
Kathy 3

Yup – Evan you’ve been telling me the same thing for years. I finally got it. Funny how common sense is not always so common. Your advise is amazing, sometimes sobering, but always dead on!
Kathy 4

Nother thing – Hot guys are not always really so hot. And diamond in the rough guys are often much hotter in reality. Sort of the same as fast food that you cook quickly – compared to something that you simmer over time.
starthrower68 5

The really hot, conventionally handsome guys don’t do too much for me. For example, I think Keanu Reeves is gorgeous, but if I had a roll in the hay with him, I’d want him to keep his mouth shut. I prefer a man with whom I can form a mental and intellectual connection, which in term makes him more attractive to me. For me, a good conversationalist is hot.
Lance 6

Haha, I love the fact that she admitted she wouldn’t date a 5’8″ dude because he was too short. Typical chick logic. Glad she say the light.
Sayanta 7

I actually can’t speak around super super hot men- if I met Matthew McConaughey (sp?) for example, I’d probably swallow my tongue.
Kenley 8

It’s so funny that you mention Matthew because I just saw his new movie yesterday, and throughout the entire movie I was thinking I just don’t know why so many women think he’s so hot!
A-L 9

Kenley
A Time to Kill. Though I will say he’s grown less attractive to me over the last several years. But still a very nice specimen of a man.

Evan
Will the other comments from this thread ever make it to the new domain?
hunter 10

EMK is right, it has been my experience, very attractive women can be arrogant.
Sayanta 11

A-L, Kenley-

You’re right guys- his hair’s just not attractive anymore, at least in this movie. The Matthew I have in my mind is Time to Kill.

But he looked pretty damn fine in How to Lose a Guy in 10 Days.
A-L 12

I can definitely sympathize with the high chemistry weakness, as I have a bit of it myself. So in trying to strike a balance between chemistry and compatibility, what should the tipping points be? If you’re below an 8 in either then it’s a no-go? Or so long as both add up to 16 (in any combination) then it’s a go? Or?

Because I don’t think anyone here is proposing that someone marry an eh, I guess s/he is halfway doable (which I would categorize as a 4-5). So if we’re saying we want more than this, but are not requiring the slam you against the wall and reach the heights of ecstasy (a 10), then where’s the appropriate middle ground?
mic 13

It’s kind of galling how Michelle has been operating. Evan, you ought to do a blog entry in a few months on how well that has worked out. After all, some amount of physical attraction is needed.

Hot people do tend to be dangerous, research confirms, because they’ve constructed some of their own attractiveness and are in high demand. If you can get a highly attractive person and can offer enough in return for it to last, that’s fine, but Michelle seems to be realizing that that won’t work for her. Food for thought: maybe there’s a point (age) at which the particularly attractive people left who aren’t committed to long-term relationships are mostly those who are style over substance and are unlikely to improve much underneath.
Sayanta 14

lol- Evan, I knew you were going to say that in response to my ladykiller comment.
Juju 15

I think physical attraction is extremely important. Not just eh, I guess s/he is halfway doable, but actual lust.
I reached a point with my ex-husband after only five years of being together where I no longer wanted to have sex with him. No matter what he did, I just didn’t feel anything.

I realize that no matter how beautiful, one and the same person won’t turn you on indefinitely, but five years is really nothing if we are talking about building a life and a family together. I do believe you would fare better if you merge with someone who is more your type to begin with.

Looks just can’t be the only criterion – but that goes without saying.

And oh, this strong attraction, obviously, has to be mutual.
Melissa 16

Diana wrote: She is choosing these men based on her own flaws and that will require more work than choosing another guy she wouldn’t have been all that interested in simply because he’s 5? 8?.

Michelle here. I don’t agree with your conclusion that my tendencies to choose men based on lust versus choosing men with my head makes me innately flawed nor do I feel that it means I’ve got a long tough road ahead of me. In fact, I feel this process is about to get A LOT easier because my eyes are wide open now.

I feel all that has happened is that online dating has spoiled me a bit and brought out a superficial side in me like a kid in a candy store that I am going to try to put a lid on, because I wasn’t always this way (my daughter’s father is 5-7?)

And now I’m going to start looking at character ABOVE animal instinct. It doesen’t mean that I think it will happen overnight either; or that I won’t be secretly attracted to tall tatooed boys who know how to pull the back of your hair just right and pin you against the wall and leave you so breathless you can’t even remember your name LOL (okay, maybe it will take awhile ha, ha.)
casualencounters.com/blog 17

Extraordinarily attractive people of both genders often get through a goodly portion of their lives on their looks. This can lead to them not really developing much as people. Scratch the surface and you find more surface.

Exceptions definitely exist, but I’ve seen it enough times to feel pretty comfortable making the generalization. Disagree?

casualencounters.com/blog’s last blog post Paid adult dating site review – ALT.com
Roger 18

I disagree that Hot dates are unhealthy. I agree that using hotness as the primary selection criteria is a mistake. For me, the MOST IMPORTANT CRITERIA are based on the qualities that relate to a person’s long-term relationship prospects.

That said, Why not pick someone who is really hot for the long haul? There are many passionate partners who are also honest, caring, and committed. Finding one who has both heat and long-term love skills is much more rare, but you only need one at a time-a handful in a lifetime. Why not hold out for what you most want?

Roger
Karl R 19

Roger said: (#1)
Why not pick someone who is really hot for the long haul? There are many passionate partners who are also honest, caring, and committed.

For every one person like that, there are a thousand people who are trying to date him/her. And each one of those people who is honest, caring, committed and really hot well they also want someone who is honest, caring, committed and really hot. And unlike me, they have a very good chance of getting someone who is all that (once they weed through the other 999 suitors).

Most of us can manage to get someone who is about our equal. They may be a little better in some areas and a little worse in others, but we can decide if those differences are a reasonable trade-off.

That’s why the most reasonable advice for attracting better people is to become better yourself (become fit, gain self-confidence, pursue interesting hobbies, learn new skills, treat people nicer, etc.)

On a separate matter, Evan has previously referred to internet dating as a flawed medium. I think this topic touches on one of those areas. I can learn more (important) information about someone within the first few minutes of observing her in person than I can by reading the average profile.

In the absence of these observations, I put too much emphasis on the pieces of information that I do have particularly the photos. That’s one reason I prefer to date offline. My own selection criteria is better.
Steve 20

Somebody is going to bring the point up, so it might as well be me. Women do like nice guys. They don’t link insecure guys.

Why Nice Guys are often such LOSERS
http://tinyurl.com/niceguys
A-L 21

Karl R wrote, On a separate matter, Evan has previously referred to internet dating as a flawed medium. I think this topic touches on one of those areas. I can learn more (important) information about someone within the first few minutes of observing her in person than I can by reading the average profile.

I both agree and disagree with this statement. I agree that the average profile gives little information about someone. I’d say that’s about the same amount of information that you have when a random person asks you out in real life, which is rather little. It’s why I don’t particularly care for random pickups or for average profiles.

But the profiles that I tend to respond to or initiate with? Those are the ones that you get a decent sense of who the person is which gives you something to go on while communicating and helps to build a rapport between the two of you before ever going out, which makes your dates more successful. I guess this is just me saying that online dating success can be improved dramatically by having a good profile. And Evan’s never said that before
Sayanta 22

You’re pretty hot, Evan. So this means you’re a ladykiller?

Seriously though- if someone had written a blog post stating Stay away from ugly people- they make bad dates, would that not be VERY offensive? But somehow, it’s okay to make a mass judgment about an entire population of people because hey- everyone hates beautiful people, right?
Sayanta 23

Sorry for the consecutive post- I promise this is the last time I’ll do it:

Unattractive guys aren’t necessarily wonderful boyfriends- some of of them are very insecure about their looks and take their insecurities (read: emotional abuse) out on their girlfriends. So it boils down to this: Eff the generalizations and look beyond the face, whether it’s a pretty or ugly one.

PS- Negative energies like anger, hatred, jealousy, and arrogance make their mark on people’s faces. Sometimes, a pretty (quotes because I strongly believe that term is relative) face can mean you’re dealing with a person at peace with himself, and who takes care of himself. THAT’s the guy you want.
casualencounters.com/blog 24

The easiest way to achieve happiness is to lower your expectations.

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Evan Marc Katz 25

If your take away from this post was avoid hot people instead of don’t base your entire relationship on looks and chemistry, then I haven’t done a good job of communicating. Maybe next time.

And yes, Sayanta, I kind of was a ladykiller when I was dating prolifically. And that’s why I’m a helluva dating coach – I explain to women the psychology of guys like me
Selena 26

I’ve found both steak and spinach to sometimes be rancid after the package has been opened.
searchingwithin 27

I also read into this post to stay away from hot people, they are trouble with a capital T, and I was also going to bring up that based on your photo on this site, you are quite the hottie, unless of course like so many others, the photo is not you, or a very old one. Not all good looking people are in a constant hunt for ego strokes.

Your comment cleared it up. So many people, it seems, have not set up any standards, requirements, and boundaries, and by that I don’t mean physical characteristics, but values and character characteristics, and they hop head first into disaster by basing their requirements on superficial things.

searching within s last blog post Seeking Validation and Love Through Men’s Approval
Roger 28

I agree with Karl: And unlike me, they have a very good chance of getting someone who is all that (once they weed through the other 999 suitors).

I think my definition of hot is different from the way it is being used in Evan’s article and the discussion. I look for a hot lover who carries the passion far beyond the usual first few months. This has little to do with looks and not much to do with immediate chemistry. Since it is nearly impossible to pick out from a profile, the only solution is to look for women with great relationship skills, enthusiasm, and creativity. That way, by the time we’ve invested enough in the relationship that it is appropriate to have sex, how ever it turns out is great.

I did learn to avoid the overtly hot early on in my dating. Example: cheerleaders. They were strongly ego-invested in the look and the role and had tons of guys trying to date them the classic trophy date. Plus they were so busy managing the hair, skin, clothes and physique that they genuinely did not have the time to build a serious relationship.

Roger
Diana 29

There are hot and not so hot emotionally available and unavailable men. Any individual can be the equivalent of fried foods or veggies, regardless of appearance. And the term hot is relative, too. She is choosing these men based on her own flaws and that will require more work than choosing another guy she wouldn’t have been all that interested in simply because he’s 5? 8?.
Sam 30

Isn’t four days a little early for Michelle to be evaluating her new dating strategy? As someone who is 5?8 I’m happy she’s giving my height class a chance, but she’s being too quick to generalize. Has she even met the guy in person?
Melissa 31

To Roger and Sayanta

Michelle here. Although the title of this blog reads hotness and a lot of people are reading the message as being avoid good looking people you’re attracted too that was never what he was saying to me. The point he was hitting home for ME was that I was trying to create relationships off of that euphoric toe-curling, head in the clouds chemistry HIGH that some men can bring out in me and he was making me recognize my ADDICTION to those guys; to the extent that I OVERLOOK red flags and big deal breakers that everyone is able to see but me, because I’m in la-la land with my high. It has nothing to do with looks and everything to do with that chemical reaction that often blinds me to things I shouldn’t overlook.

The way Evan so eloquently put it to me was You’re taking someone where the chemistry is a 10 and the compatability is a 4 and trying to turn it into a working relationship. He challenged me to ask myself if this was the first time I had done this, and the answer was a resounding NO I had based the decision almost in its entirety to keep seeing someone because of the feeling they gave me, and not on anything that would make me happy or content in the long run.

As you said Roger, you look for attraction AND for someone who has long term qualities I had developed a blind spot at discerning what long term qualities I need to be looking for, because I just wanted the roller coaster ride. Now I have a new approach.

Mic – you’re right. I have been going about it the wrong way; which is why I needed someone to put me on a course of action that is better suited for my long term happiness. Evan started me off with a few basic guidelines that I haven’t been doing; such as going on a date once a week and using a more cerebral and less organic thought process, so that’s what I’m doing (And I’ve got a date this Sunday

Sam – I don’t think it’s too soon because I was ready to receive the information! I recognized everything I had been doing wrong, listened attentively to the advice that he gave me with all my defenses down and its like a switch went off and a new door has opened. Sometimes I think it CAN happen like that for people. And I never said I thought it would work out with the 5-8? guy and we’d live happily ever after but I recognize my own criteria of superficiality I’ve been using and I’m lucky enough to have options, so no I don’t think its to soon to feel that I have been changed from coaching. I know what I need to do now. but I will let you know
hunter 32

Roger, while at the university, I remember seeing a cheerleader with plain, average looks and dateless, until she met me.
hunter 33

Selena, steak and spinach? How funny!..
Karl R 34

mic said:
“maybe there’s a point (age) at which the particularly attractive people left who aren’t committed to long-term relationships are mostly those who are style over substance and are unlikely to improve much underneath.”

Like most generalizations, that one just doesn’t work.

People (regardless of attractiveness or internal qualities) are available or unavailable at all ages for many reasons. An attractive woman could get divorced and be available again. An attractive woman could let her career consume her life for a decade (or more) before deciding that she really wants to find someone to share her life with.

Maybe she even ended up in a string of relationships with guys who were style over substance before realizing that wasn’t working for her.

It’s impossible to make intelligent assumptions why someone is still available without getting to know them first.