I’d Rather Have Sex With My Cheating Ex Than With My Devoted Boyfriend

What is wrong with me?? I have been searching for a sweet, wonderful guy. Along the way, I met someone that I adored, but I found out that he was sleeping with someone else. I confronted him and told him that I had to be the only one. He said he wasn't ready or willing to settle down with one person. So, I continued my search and met Mr. Wonderful. He adores me, is ready to propose, but I have a problem–our sex life is not good, and I find myself dreaming about Mr. Two-Timer, who was great in bed. What's worse, Mr. Two-Timer, who couldn't commit, now has a committed relationship with the other woman.

I'm still jealous and feeling hurt over him, while I've got this wonderful guy who loves me and wants to commit. I'm wondering what the hell is wrong with me? Can sex, or boring sex, cloud one’s judgment this much??


Dear Lisa,

Isn’t it a shame there isn’t a correlation between “nice”and “great-in-bed”

(Millions of men who have slept with hot crazy women are nodding right now.)

The truth is that attraction and devotion are two things that CAN go together but don’t INHERENTLY go together. In fact, it would probably be more accurate to state that attraction and devotion are at opposite poles.

(Millions of women who have gone out with non-committal bad boys are nodding right now.)

He was SLEEPING with someone else, which instantly disqualifies him for his free gift from the Boyfriend-of-the-Month Club. Good riddance.

So what’s a nice girl who wants a nice guy with awesome bedroom skills to do?

Well, as a dating coach who tries to train all of his clients to become their OWN dating coach, here’s what I’d suggest: Look at the things you cannot change.

Mr. Two-Timer is a two-timer. It doesn’t matter if you initially adored him, he was SLEEPING with someone else, which instantly disqualifies him for his free gift from the Boyfriend-of-the-Month Club. Good riddance.

Mr. Two-Timer has another 120lbs of baggage, his new girlfriend. Don’t get too upset. She’ll learn his nickname soon enough. Although maybe not until a few years into their marriage. Be glad that he’s her problem, not yours.

Oh, but then there’s the sex thing. Why does sex always have to get in the way of such beautiful friendships?

(Millions of women who want to marry their gay best friends are nodding right now.)

Thankfully, sex is something that can change, especially if the parties involved are motivated to change. If you don’t believe me, consider what you know about sex now as compared with when you were say, 16. Have you learned a thing or two? I sure hope so.

Where things get sticky (not literally) is in trying to finesse HOW to get Mr. Devoted to WANT to change. Does he have any idea that you’re dissatisfied with your love life? Have you been faking your way through the past year? If so, it’s going to come as quite a shock to this guy that, oops, I’ve been lying to you this entire time…. 

I’m not saying it’s going to be easy. I can only imagine if my fiance suddenly let me know that my mad sex skillz were merely elementary to her. There’d be embarrassment, shame, and a severe loss of confidence. See, that’s the hardest part to fix.

The same way a woman who’s been cheated on will have great difficulty trusting a man if she takes him back, a man who has been told he’s got no game is always going to feel like he’s falling short.

But you haven’t given your guy a roadmap to please you, you’re just hoping he’s got his own built-in GPS.

And a guy who feels like he’s falling short is NEVER going to be confident enough to be good in bed. Let’s face it: being good in bed for a man is ALL about confidence. Sure, it helps to be properly equipped, but for the most part, it’s about knowing what you’re doing, playing a dominant role, knowing when to please and be pleased, experimenting, having stamina, and so on.

All of this stuff can improve with practice. But it is not going to improve until you start letting him know what you need. And that’s where you’ve fallen short, Lisa. You’re not wrong for desiring two men in two different ways. But you haven’t given your guy a roadmap to please you, you’re just hoping he’s got his own built-in GPS. Sorry, babe. Doesn’t always work like that.

Instead of telling him what he’s doing wrong, let him know what you’d like. You want to be tied up. You want to use a vibrator. You want him to take you from behind. Whatever. This guy WANTS to please you, all you have to do is show him how. And if that doesn’t take, there’s always Kama Sutra guides and sex therapists.

But it’s clear to me that you’ve got a far better shot of turning Mr. Devoted into Mr. Spank Me Harder than you do of turning Mr. Two-Timer With Another Girlfriend into Mr. Monogamous.

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  1. 31
    Cathouse Teri

    Lisa, I don’t believe you said it lasted a year. In fact, I kept reading it over when I read the comments that said it did. That’s why I put the question mark.

    You have been a good sport for hanging around and not getting defensive. I was giving you straight, hard talk because it’s best to have a number of views in these matters. More importantly, from a number of different types of people. But I wasn’t kidding. This is about you. And making sure you really go after what you want. Anything but that is not fair to anyone. Especially you.

  2. 32

    Interesting how my little observation about the nice guy/girl and less-than-crazy-hot-monkey love generated such response.

    I’ve observed and talked with members of both sexes and almost universally, they say the best sex each had was with the a-holes or the crazy bitches. Sorry, but that’s what I’ve seen. Not saying ‘nice’ people aren’t good in bed, just not as good. There’s a difference.

  3. 33

    I happened to agree that the the no. of past partners is immaterial. But if the “nice person=bed sex” is the perception most people have, then I would say the no. and quality of your date’s past partners suddenly becomes very important.
    You don’t want to get stuck with someone who sees sex with you as inferior to what they had with assholes/crazy bitches.

  4. 34

    and to expand on that… for me and plenty other “nice people” an asshole/crazy bitch would never reach to the bed stage.

    oh and Lisa, thanks for starting a nice instructional thread entitled “Become a jerk and chics will queue to you”.

  5. 35

    sorry should be nice person=bad sex

  6. 36

    on post #34

    young women are attracted to “jerks.”……

  7. 37

    Physical attraction certainly doesn’t guarantee good sex. Some good-looking people are very self-centered, which doesn’t make for good sexual performance (or being a good partner). But the “great body” comment raises the question of whether greater attractiveness leaves an exaggerated impression of performance after the act is over. Halo effect.

  8. 38

    @Cinnamon , post #34, Lisa did not do that. She sent a letter to Evan and was then good enough to satisfy our curiosity by posting a follow up. I think some regular commentators morphed the subject into what you are talking about.

    Here is a thought on that subject.

    If someone is hooked up with a nice person and they are having great sex then they are likely not having any problems to motivate them to send emails into dating blogs.

  9. 39

    thanks Steve,
    Sorry, I don’t really have a problem with Lisa’s post, I wouldn’t be able to count all the situations when a genuinely nice guy was interested in me and I did not feel the same way. Each time I concluded it would be unfair towards the guy to lead him on. It had absolutely nothing to do with the guy’s possible style of lovemaking.
    If you are attracted to someone, then as little as a kiss in the neck will send you to heaven.

    I cannot agree that women are attracted to jerks, but many women are attracted to confident men (some of them happen to turn out jerks, but these two things are unrelated).
    It takes some time to get over a guy who you thought was adorable, but turned out to be a jerk. It doesn’t happen overnight.

    You can be a nice person, man or woman, and still be able to assert yourself, show imagination, sense of humor, love variety, be passionate, be able to take up a fight (and play fair) and so on, and so on.

    and vino,
    By claiming that nice people aren’t just as good in bed, you are likely to make mature, emotionally healthy women feel, exactly, inadequate. I’m not sure if that’s your intention.

  10. 40

    My friend cinn,

    Actually, I am saying that when people compare sex (and they do – both sexes), the hot crazy sex with usually the crazy person is the more memorable. I’m not saying the crazy person is worth it for the sex at all. Quite the opposite. The highs (such as sex) are higher, and the lows are lower. Not healthy at all.

    But when viewing sex as a comparison as our OP Lisa has done, “you are likely to make mature, emotionally healthy women (and men, as this thread’s subject) feel, exactly, inadequate.”

    Actually I didn’t direct my comments with the purpose of making women feel bad at all. I thought they were unisex, applying equally to both.

  11. 41
    Cute Redhead

    You mean, you guys haven’t had hot sex with a nice person? Wow. Shocking! Because that is absolutely the best. It’s just mind-blowing. But if you aren’t wired that way maybe it isn’t possible for you. I mean, if you need that sado-masochistic thing to get off — that’s too bad. Now THAT I would say would be a good reason to get into therapy.

    But I guess if that’s what you need to get off there is probably some incentive to think that “everybody” is that way and so to see everybody that way. Must be very sad and lonely.

  12. 42

    Do people even read what’s written anymore? Or do they just attach whatever exaggerated meaning they choose to read into things in order to suit their tastes?

  13. 43

    @Cute Redhead, post #41: ROFL.
    When I see the same message reiterated many times I think people are talking from being screwed or having read something in a book. Either way it reflects a paucity of experience. Is your alias inspired by the “cute redhead” from the peanuts cartoon?

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  15. 45

    Gawd this sounds like my life, although Im sort of trapped now and ready to marry the guy in 3 weeks, it worries me this is my life forever with one minute man,  I hear you, good sex is something that feels good, lasts and isnt over in a minute.  I believe hes a lazy lover.  I have spoken to him, guided him, given books, videos etc we talk and talk and then you get to bed and hes apparently forgotten everything, there isnt an iota of stamina, hes literally over so fast.  I have this analogy of sex with him…
    It is like he has told me we are going for a v8 super car ride and I get all excited and get behind the wheel only to have him grab the keys jump in and piss off without me.  I am still standing there trying to get my shoes on lol….this is sex with my man, boring as batshit, alas what the hell am I to do now.

    1. 45.1
      Karmic Equation

      Break up with him. Dealing with a broken engagement costs less than a broken marriage. Both of you deserve to be happy.

      Let the guy go and find someone you can HAPPILY spend time in and out of bed with.

    2. 45.2

      I’m not sure when this was posted but what did you end up doing?  A male friend if mine was in the same predicament a few weeks ago and it was frustrating him to no end. I told him that sensuality cannot be taught. A person can mimic it but truly knowing how to be sensuous and connecting with someone, sexually can’t be taught. The bad lover will go through the motions but that raw, animal instinct doesn’t exist in some people. I hope you got out because you’ll end up looking at him and wondering why for the next 40 years, you’ll never have great sex again.

  16. 46

    Another analogy I use which is quite a giggle to get my point across (although nothing changes)
    Imagine you are going on a holiday together, you plan it and get excited.  You pack your bag and head to the airport, book in, off you go to your destination on the plane.  You get there, its brilliant, the experience is well worth the excitement.
    Well, the way I see it, my man is sitting in the pool at the destination having his bourbon, where am I???  I am still packing my bloody bag lol

  17. 47

    It seems that maybe you are not over Mr Two Timer and ready to move on to truly having the right feelings for Mr Devoted.  If you have the chemistry with Mr Devoted like the last person stated…he is teachable and you would be working on that and not thinking about Mr Two Timer.
    I have a similar situation though I haven’t met anyone new that I am interested in being intimate with.  Mr Two Timer married about 7 months ago and though he never told me he was getting married…he did a sleep over at my home 3 weeks before his wedding.  Lucky wife huh?  The wife was married when she met Mr Two Timer and was swept up by his wild man skills and she screwed over her family so she will get what she deserves when one day she wakes up to the mess they both have made.  No woman with half a brain puts a man before her children no matter how great he is in bed!   
    If this Mr Devoted truly is a good guy…I hope you figure it out and don’t miss out on a good thing because… it would be a shame if you let Mr Two Timer take that from you too. 🙂  

  18. 48

    I totally agree with you Lisa! And don’t let people “slut-shame” you! A woman is just as sexually driven as a man and if this conversation were about how a woman wasn’t pleasing a man in bed, I feel as if the conversation would go differently.
    I committed too early to a relationship when I wasn’t quite ready because I know that something great could come out of us being together. The man is smart and we’re mentally on the same level. He’s also very attractive (for the most part), but I’m also young and didn’t plan on getting into a relationship until I’d settled into a job, so when he couldn’t meet my needs and then asked me to make things official, I panicked slightly. I’ve been lusting after one of my ex’s who was my perfect counterpart in bed and I don’t know what to do about it. I’m hoping that as the relationship grows things will get better in the bedroom, but as much as I feel guilty that the bedroom is a deal breaker for me, it is. I’m an artist and express myself physically and find it a very spiritual experience, so I’m personally panicking about whether Mr. Perfect can step up his game and be on par with the bad boy.

    1. 48.1

      This is like me. I learned the hard way being married to a very sexually boring man for 16 years. Sex is a language, an act of creation, and a spiritual experience for me. It is one thing that has lured me to the bad boys. But I get hurt bc part of what makes sex great for me is the connection with the person. I think I delve into that too quickly just to make the sex better. The bad boys I’ve been with are good at that. I’m hoping to find someone who is sexually confident and also sees it as a deep connection, but actually sticks around and is nice too.

  19. 49

    The ex wasprobably more physically attractive than teh current boyfriend.
    Looks matter a lot. Women don’t like to admit it, but when it comes to mating women are at least just as superficial as men.

    1. 49.1

      We have to assume that both men were physically attractive to her or she wouldn’t have been able to commit to them. It’s what happens after the sexual relationship begins. Some men are very sensual, there’s eye contact, lots of kissing and they last more than just a few minutes. I was with a man who was not only handsome but had the most perfect body I’ve ever seen yet he thought sex that lasted more than a few minutes was a waste of time. I tried to show him what I wanted but it was only when he proposed to me that I realized that I didn’t want this for the rest of my life. Good looks will get you in the door but it can’t keep you there.

  20. 50

    Some people are just selfish in bed. If you repeatedly show a person what you like, gently guiding their hand, expressing you like something and they don’t do it, well, I believe they’re selfish. I’m contemplating ending my relationship with my boyfriend for that reason. He likes me to give him head, but when I want him to go down on me he says he had a bad experience with it. I have been patient over a year with him. I’ve brought it up again and he just says the same thing. He’s a nice guy, but selfish in bed. He would say please be patient. Yes, all the while he is getting pleased. I’m always on top. He cannot do missionary for long supposedly something in his neck. I’m just sick of it and need to move on.   If he fingers me which is rare his facial expression is like it’s a chore. He aays it’s because his arthritis is bothering him in his fingers. It’s always something. He’s nice, sweet, but I cannot endure a lifetime of bedroom selfishness. This is what makes him a horrible lover. Consistent effort to please me would have gone a long way with me.

    1. 50.1


      …your man may have been uninformed on bedroom techniques….youtube,  has explicit visuals on bedroom techniques for men…. 

  21. 51

    Bad boy better at sex thing is fairly common. I first dated my wife in college but she broke up with me and dated some “bad boys” for quite some time. We always remained friends ( I never got over her ) so I asked her out again and we got married. I am an average although I try to do everything I can do but still I know one or more of those guys would have been way better than I ever will be. There isnt much you can do about it except just wrap your head around the fact.

  22. 52

    “Bad boy better at sex?”….why ’cause they get more opportunities/experience?….other men can read up on it, through books/youtube/dating coaches…

    1. 52.1

      Yes. But reading books doesn’t take the place of having had sex with hundreds of women.

      1. 52.1.1

        That’s true, Adam, but you don’t have to have sex with “hundreds of women“, to know how to satisfy one particular woman. That’s about more than just knowledge, and skills gained through experience. Those help, but every woman is unique (if there are two who respond exactly the same way to the same things, I haven’t found them yet), and getting sex just right with the next one you encounter is always a process of communication, discovery, and learning. It’s easier if you’re not clueless, of course, but you still have to learn her body, and her physical and emotional responses, so, in a very real sense, every time you have a new partner, you’re starting over. Don’t look at it as a problem, or a burden; consider it a new adventure, and enjoy the process of discovering her. It’s a lot more fun that way.

      2. 52.1.2

        Sorry, Adam but the best lovers I’ve had were men who were divorced after being married for years and some of the worst were the great looking bachelors who had sex with several women. Men who made love to one woman for years, were far better lovers.

  23. 53

    Evan make some great points. Things don’t have to be so complicated.
    If a guy is not pleasing you follow Evan’s advice to open up the lines of communication between you two. Gently and respectfully work with him to make things better between the two of you. That way, you have a guy who not only loves and is devoted to you, but is great in bed. A win, win for both of you. How is a guy supposed to know how to please you if you don’t tell him? Telepathy? Should he be able to read your mind?
    Having said that, it is good that Lisa left the guy. If she really feels this way, then it is best for her to end things, instead of marrying the guy and being miserable.
    Sadly, I have seen time and time again, women marry guys they aren’t really, truly, attracted to sexually even though their man is deeply in love and deeply devoted, like Lisa’s ex-fiancee. They go ahead with the wedding and stop having sex with their husband shortly after they get married, since they didn’t like this to begin with. The man will try to figure out what is wrong and try to fix their relationship. They will really, really try. But ladies, when you deny your husband sex for a long time, you are going to turn into, best case scenario, a porn addict, or worst case a cheater. This is inevitable.

    1. 53.1

      Excuse me, HE will become a porn addict best case scenario or will end up cheating and leaving you worse case scenario.
      Moral of the story. If you want a guy who is great in bed and has had tons of experience, but cheats on you, marry that. If you want a less experienced guy who you can mold into someone who makes you happy in bed, marry that. It is totally up to you, but if you do marry a bad boy that cheats and has kids with other women, please don’t cry to me about it.

  24. 54

    I can relate and it’s frustrating. I had been married to a selfish lover who just didn’t seem interested in pleasing me as much as I did him. We seperated, during which time I met someone who blew my mind with his unselfishness. He had come straight out of my fantasies. Of course there was drama which  I suppose comes hand in hand with great sex, not always I’m sure. Some time passed and my husband finally heeded my words. Only by time he did, I no longer felt attracted to him. He worked hard to be the husband I needed him to be, and being that I love him more than anyone I know, we reconciled. He’s a great husband and father, and I’d give anything to feel that attraction again.  Obviously there’s a lot more to our 10 yrs together, but it’s too long a story lol

    1. 54.1

      Annie, I completely relate to your story. My DH was quite selfish in bed for a number of years while we were dating. (Most of 10 years) My orgasm came second 90% of the time. He was also emotionally distant… Much later he was diagnosed with high functioning autism. My point in mentioning this is that it’s technically not his fault. Still, that did not stop my need to feel emotionally close.

      He cheated on me a couple of times during our engagement, but basically welcomed me into the relationship with the other woman. I was confused, hurt and of course still in love with him so I simply followed his lead. I didn’t have the opportunity to refuse. It was more like… I want this woman and I want you there.

      He was the first man I slept with. I could not, and still can’t, imagine life without him.

      The sex at the beginning of our then-exclusive relationship was explosive… but as the emotional distance became painfully obvious, I felt a lot less satisfied with our life together, including sex.

      I should mention that my father rejected me early in life and boys teased or ignored me a lot, for anyone who’s about to say ‘why did you not just leave?’ I really imagined that he was the only decent man who would ever want me.

      I could have long conversations with him intellectually, which is not easy for a lot of American men, sadly. It was refreshing to find an intelligent man who loved me. He loved my performance in bed. He loves me totally heart, mind and soul. He’s just not very good at expressing it in ways that women need to feel.

      My DH will buy you a box of chocolates but can’t always give you a big hug. We are working on more physical affection expression in our relationship that’s not just sexual.

      After years of emotional neglect and abuse, some of which I lobbed back at my husband because I was deeply hurt by his issues… I found another man who was interested in me. He loved sex with me. He’s handsome, silly and damn good in bed. He’s emotional and responsive. He spent a long time in a relationship being a submissive to a selfish princess type. Having my body worshipped was very new and very liberating. All I wanted to do in return is please him intensely… And I did…

      My ex lovers mother rejected him and girls ignored him, too. We had exactly the same story and needed to feel that love spark, pleasure and emotional connection so badly.

      My DH was devastated when he found out. Even though we had an open relationship during our dating years, initiated by him… During which I slept with a couple women, but no men, and always in the context of a polyamorous union…

      Suddenly there was another penis involved. And I loved this new man. I wanted everything about him. I was so stupid in love that I could not think straight.

      Long story short: Both of us stayed with our spouses to improve our relationships. My husband nearly committed suicide over the possibility of me leaving. So there’s that.

      I want to enjoy sex again with my husband, but I cannot get my male ex lover out of my sex fantasies. There’s nothing that can replace that deep emotional connection that precedes and comes with great sex. If you aren’t willing to establish that with your wives and GFs, be prepared for that moment when she does find an unselfish man who can feel…

      My ex lover and I are now in the dilemma of kids on the way, choosing to stick with spouses and wanting each other so hard, even after 2 years.

      I’ll keep working on this issue. To his credit, DH has improved a lot over the past year. In fact, he’s really become a great husband. And my ex-lovers wife has improved, too. But there will always be that damnable desire… Really trying to cope.  It’s a weight you have to carry… Sometimes I wish I’d never known that happiness and just continued depressed and neglected. Just to be content with my broken heart which I’d accepted.

      1. 54.1.1

        Wow, so similar to my situation! As we started our relationship he wanted an open relationship, he had recently left someone…and so had I, so I agreed. But I knew I was gonna fall for him, lol. Odd thing was, he never acted on it tho. He began talking to an old friend who was moving to our state soon. When I found out what they were talking about, I got upset cuz he wasn’t being open about it, and after much discussing decided we should end things. It was back & forth with his behavior.. I began to notice a pattern and suggest we get counseling. He was no longer physically cheating, but would talk to girls sometimes. In an effort to stop hurting me like that, he focused his need for that attention to me. Which would’ve been great but it became unhealthy fast, behaved like an addict at times, and no matter how I tried he would not listen to my wants even when I asked for something. We hit a breaking point and seperated again, I had done some reading and everything I read points to sex addiction, more so gave  mechemical release from it. I noticed during times he was not talking with/seeing anyone else, we had dogs that he took immaculate care of, it made him feel good…thats also when our relationship was doing good. During the beginning of our separation he became very despondent and wouldn’t talk to me. I ended up meeting someone, our chemistry was amazing and he gave me all the attention I was starved for…consistently. Both of us equal pleasers, it was definitely intoxicating! It never would’ve lasted tho, narcissist if I ever met one, but I wanted him so bad, lol. My husb too struggled a lot with the idea of me being with someone else, brink of suicidal, it was kinda scary. But I loved him and ours kids and missed us all being together. I’ve discovered a lot about myself, and him and understand a lot more about the cycles or our relationship. But he’s still in denial and dismisses my feelings about the addiction..so not sure there’s more I can do. It’s been almost 2 yrs since I left my lover, and I feel the same sometimes! Sometimes I wish I had never had the experience, my husb and I never had crazy chemistry/sex like that..I don’t wanna miss it, but I do sometimes. I hope things cont to get better for y’all!

  25. 55

    I hate to disagree with EMK here because he usually gives spot-on advice… but, sorry, you can’t fake good sex. Lovers generally either fit or they don’t. It’s not about specific things they do (“tie me up, spank me harder”), it’s about the way they move together. Hell, there are a bunch of kinky things that I like, but they suck when an awkward lover does them to me, and conversely, the best lovers I’ve had never had to do any kinky things to me.

    If a couple has unsatisfactory sex, you better hope that they’re either asexual or have an open relationship… because eventually one of them’s gonna bone the maid or the poolboy.

    I spent three years trying to fix my lame sex with my then-boyfriend. He tried really hard but it was just lame. Now my current BF puts me through hell constantly, and I deal with it because he’s the best lay I’ve ever had, bar none. So trust me, I know the deal.

    1. 55.1

      gerina, you’re the first woman I’ve heard say…”my bf puts me through hell constantly, I deal with it because he’s the best lay I’ve ever had”…….hhhmmmhhh


  26. 56
    Like lisa

    I’m literally in the same situation as you Lisa! The exact situation smh! My BF sex skilled are so horrible and he’s mr.devoted my ex is mr.2 timer I’m still at the part where I don’t know if I should tell mr.devoted that he sucks in bed ! But it’s getting really frustrating.

  27. 57

    Ladies and gentlemen, this story is very interesting. @Lisa First of all, “Mr. Two-
    Timer” has no reason to leave every women on the planet for you. It looks like you liked “Mr. Two-
    Timer” but he was unavailable. That’s the cons about monogamy. You end up in situations like these. You have a person you like but have to wait for all the checkboxes like “Is he seeing anyone?” to be checked. I also don’t understand why people follow cultural and social norms. Who are you cheating? The is nothing wrong being romantically involved with two people simultaneously. As long as everyone is on the same page. If you want to be the only one that person is seeing that’s fine. The is nothing wrong with it. Just don’t lie to yourself by thinking you can only love one person and that’s it, everything must obey that thought process. Every force of nature must bow down to that belief. I don’t think “one man, one woman relationship and nothing will shake us, not even the person who will give me new fire 3 years from now will distract us” relationships is for everyone. CREATE YOUR OWN RULES. WHO SAYS YOU HAVE TO BE LIKE YOUR GRANDPARENTS, YOUR PARENTS, YOUR FRIENDS OR WHAT SOCIETY SAYS IS ACCEPTABLE? Yes, I’ve seen some wonderful traditional relationships. The people in those relationships are happy. That’s them. That’s what makes them happy. The are some relationships that wonderful without much sex if any. Both of the individuals in the relationship are happy. They don’t need sex. I don’t think my parents ever had sex, and they were unshakeable. For some couples, regular sex is a very important pre-requisite. Sorry to burst your bubbles. What is cheating? Who came up with cheating? Where did it originate? Who first use it for relationships? Why are you hurt if a person is dating multiple multiple? Why should someone be responsible for your response to a situation? Why should someone have a burden on their shoulders of what you think of them? Its time we question some of things we believe in? I know I will get bashed for saying these things but let’s not lie to ourselves. Let’s not put very heavy bags on the people we date. As I said, you create your own rules. If you want to be involved with only each other, do it. If you think you and your partner must not do anything romantic with anyone else, then yes, establish that rule. The is nothing wrong with it. I’ve seen many traditional relationships (e.g. If you dare talk to another person on the phone, or flirt with anyone, or message anyone, I its over) were the individuals in the relationship are very happy. I’m just saying, know who you are and be in the relationship that your happy with. Stop basing your relationship on norms enforced by society. Stop wanting your romantic interests to be the absolute dream partners. For example, I know as a guy I must provide financial security for a woman. It would be irrational of me to expect a woman not not want to know how I can maintain her and myself. I need to be able to provide and take care of the family (I’m not suggesting women are looking for money in relationships. I’m just stating what is expected of me as a man in a relationship). Another example: If I’m dating a woman who has a lot money and has made it clear she can provide for herself (buys her own clothes and doesn’t really need me to do anything for her or buy her anything that she can buy herself), I must know who I’m dating. I know in this kind of relationship, me as man, I must step up. The traditional male role won’t cut it here. My money won’t cut it here. I need to bring something else to the relationships. Something different. I’m not a breadwinner here. She doesn’t need one. Actually, she can throw me out of the house if she wants to. She doesn’t need the traditional male role here. So yes, she is not a princess. All “my dream girl thing” must go out of the window. THIS IS NOT MY DREAM GIRL. ITS A SELF-SUFFICIENT WOMAN WHO HAS THINGS IN HER LIFE UNDER CONTROL AND NEEDS A MAN TO BRING SOMETHING ELSE TO THE TABLE. For dudes as well, if you want to date this caliber of woman, have things going for you as well. People are different. So different attributes will be required to date different people. I’m just emphasising that in the real world, woman don’t date princes and we man don’t date princesses. We date each other. We must be honest with who we are. If you don’t want to share, then don’t share. If you don’t find a partner seeing their ex, then talk to your partner. If you like two guys and want them all, go have them all if they want that kind of relationship. If they don’t want that kind of relationship, you must respect their decison. If don’t want to date a pick up artist, then don’t date a pickup-artist. Live the life you want. Otherwise, I’m not surprised what happened with Lisa. You wanted a guy who was unavailable to only sleep with you. When that didn’t happen, you moved on and found a new guy but you were not happy with the relationship with the new guy. I’m just happy I don’t require much in a relationship. That’s why I can love many people at once and I don’t compare my relationships. I don’t rate what I experience in relationships. I don’t rate sex either. I just love whoever is in front of me. I don’t expect princesses. I don’t care what job you do. I don’t even care whether your employed or unemployed. What’s unemployment anyhwere? What’s money anyhwhere. Lol, I can date a woman with no income. I can date a bartender if I wanted to. I can date a woman who works in a supermarket if I wanted to. So I can date whoever I want. Whether they’re in debt, have a job, or they have dated lots guys before dating me. I don’t expect people to be what I want them to be before I meet them. As I said, we are dating each other. We all have baggage. So I think we must be realistic and take a good look at ourselves. What are doing? We have all these rules, expectations, and fairytales. He or she does this………he or she doesn’t do that. I don’t expect anyone to come and make me happy. If I’m happy when I’m always around you, that’s great, but I don’t expect anyone to make me happy. I don’t expect any girl to stop receiving texts from other guys. I don’t really care who wants her. I don’t really believe in things like “dude, whoever doesn’t apprectiate you, doesn’t know what they’re missing”. People dated each other and they reject each other. We not compatible with everyone. We don’t like the same things. So I’m not what surprised about what happened with Lisa. I just think let’s not believe in fairytales. This thing of some people waiting for a person who is the full package……..waiting for someone to fit criteria. Sorry Lisa, the thing is, you don’t know who will be crazy about? Just make sure you compromise on the right things. Already, it looks like the sex is uncompromisable. I’m just glad when I love a person, I love what’s in front of me, despite any imperfections. I’m not waiting for a woman to blow me away. We have to ask ourselves, what do we mean when we say we are in love? What are we in love with? Are you in love with passions which are destined to fade? Are you in love with personality traits which will change overtime because people can change. People can be different in 10 years time than who they are now. What are you in love with? It also looks like people can fall in love and out of love. So we must make sure we don’t believe in fairytales, we must also be realistic, and we must not let social norms and cultural norms shape the relationships we have. If you as a man want to wear a batman costume at your weading, do it. You must also create your own rules in a relationship.

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    simone thomas

    You are so right Evan u hit the nail right on the head, so to speak. I’m in a similar situation, and i just cant help wanting sex with my ex. Even though i have a good man in my life, whom I’m afraid to tell he’s not satisfying me. Because of the whole confidence issue you stated. I’m not sexually active with my ex, but we keep in touch. I think its guilt and shame holding me back from having sex with my ex. But it gets overwhelming sometimes, dont know how long i can keep up.

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    I have the same problem. I love and adore and fancy my man, but find his behaviour in bed pretty offputting. Whilst I am very experienced sexually  and without meaning to sound conceited, I have been told I’m amazing in bed several times by several different men, becuase of my responsiveness, he is very inexperienced having had three lovers in his life, one was a one night stand as a young man, the next was his wife for twenty years who ‘did not like sex’ and the other a girlfriend before me who wouldn’t let him come inside her.

    So my boyfriend seems to lose the ability to be romantic as soon as we get naked. He reverts to horrible porn language and cliches and treats me a bit like a masturbation object. He kisses with way too much force, uses a lot of tongue and dribble and cannot come inside me, preferring to masturbate himself to a climax preferably whilst watching me play with myself. Oh and if he is inside me, he slumps his full body weight on me and even if I say he’s squashing me, he goes back to it within a few seconds. He also makes sex last forever (up to an hour) and I get bored and sore waiting for him to come. It’s not that I don’t come, I do several times, but coming is easy for me. It’s the emotional connection I want and not to be repulsed (dribble) or uncomfortable  or feel like a prostitute

    He is obviously anxious about not coming and so resorts to masturbation to get the job done and triggers himself with porn images,  but I think that’s reinforcing the problem and also it makes me feel used and detached and I’m all about romantic passionate connecting sex.

    In ‘real’ life he is gorgeous, loving, loyal, the most decent of men and everything I want in a man. I am so worried as I’ve started to tell him these things in a bid to make things better as I’m starting not to want sex at all, which is very unlike me as I have a high drive. I am worried he will totally lose confidence as he is sensitive and we will split up. I also feel really guilty.

    I wish I could get by, by just encouraging what I want. I go on top a lot, so I can control the weight thing, but I don’t always want to be on top. I’ve said I love him coming inside me, but I think that may have put more pressure on him. I’ve said I love soft gentle loose lipped kissing and he does it for a while, but then forgets. He even dribbled inside my mouth today which made me gag.

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    Oh I forgot to add that sex is hugely important to him. He says he finally left his wife because of the lack of sex and he gets aroused really easily and wants a lot of sex, (at least once a day, but gets aroused about four times a day) so I feel very pressured.

    Ps he also takes my hand and puts it on his erect penis when I’m not even aroused which I hate.

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