Invasion Of The Sperm Snatchers

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Several online articles have appeared recently regarding “sperm snatching,” including this one on Big Think. It cites a column in the Daily Mail by Liz Jones as well as another post on Big Think about sperm for sale. The author tackles the concept of Dynamic (or Time) Inconsistency as it relates to rising number on deceptive pregnancies: it is the economic concept that preferences can change over time. What may seem like the optimal choice in period one (not wanting the father’s money or support during pregnancy, for example) is not necessarily the optimal choice in period two (after the baby is born).

According to the Daily Mail article, a 2001 survey showed that 42% of women would lie about their contraceptive use if they wanted to get pregnant and their partner did not. Author Jones describes how, over the course of two relationships, she snuck into the bathroom in the middle of the night in order to inseminate herself using sperm rescued from condoms, despite the fact that both men had made their unwillingness to become fathers very, very clear to her. She tried to sperm snatch, but was unsuccessful.

In Big Think’s related article E-Sperm For Sale: Man Not Included, writer Pamela Haag discusses the sperm trade, and how children are “the new spouses,” the emotional and romantic anchors of many a modern family, NOT men. She ultimately advocates for effective male contraception since sperm snatching is becoming more rampant.

I’m disgusted by this concept of sperm snatching, but hey, I’m not a woman trying to get pregnant. Would love to hear your reactions below.

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  1. 41
    Goldie

    I don’t understand. If the woman raises the child on her own and never contacts the man again, for child support or otherwise, then what’s the harm? I see no one suffering in this situation. Yeah, possibly unethical, but a crime on par with stealing or, better yet, rape??? Not in my opinion.
      
    I do not, BTW, appreciate the analogies with rape. It cheapens the rape, which is, as I understand it, a physical and/or psychological assault that leaves the victim traumatized for life. Exactly how is the man traumatized?
      
    I have female relatives and acquaintances who, back in the 50s and 60s, went out and got pregnant for the sole purpose of having a baby. The fathers never found out. The women didn’t have to sneak around and steal sperm, as guys didn’t use protection much in those days. No harm came out of it. The women ended up raising well-adjusted children, who went on to become successful adults and have children of their own. I cannot for the life of me see what was so bad about this.
      
    I do agree, though, that “the male pill” is necessary, for a variety of reasons. Though, personally, I won’t probably trust a man to always use one, and will continue to take precautions on my own.

    1. 41.1
      Evan Marc Katz

      I didn’t want to weigh in, but…

      If a woman steals a man’s sperm and later demands child support, she is hijacking his life against his will. That is why it is being compared to rape – not the physical trauma, of course, but the lifetime commitment to supporting a child that he didn’t want with a woman that he doesn’t even like or trust.

      If it’s your body and you can do whatever you want with it, similarly, it’s his life and he should do whatever he wants with it. He shouldn’t have to spend the rest of his existence with a child with half of his DNA, either supporting that child or wondering about that child. Bringing a life into the world should be a mutual decision and it’s extremely one-sided to think that a man should have no say in the process.

      would hope that there’d be more sympathy for men here.

  2. 42
    Michelle

    I think it’s a disservice to raise a child without an active father in their life.   Fathers are important.   So one says no one is hurt, but I would say the child is hurt primarily.

    Further, a child is a human being, not a possession or thing.   It’s a pretty important decision to bring a child, another human life,  into this world.   If a man is not consenting to his sperm being used to create a new life, then that’s pretty immoral in my book.   Whether it’s today or back in the stone ages.

  3. 43
    Jenna

    MIke@39: I’m with ya almost 100%. I would say that it’s also reasonable to believe that if a guy isn’t using a condom, he probably doesn’t care if he becomes a father or not and might even secretly be hoping for it. Because you gotta wonder what is going on in the minds of these guys who go around having unprotected sex. And if someone’s going to clone me using tampon residue, more power to ’em. That would be way weirder than trying to inseminate  yourself from a condom, so I suspect the future for the cloner would be much bleaker than mine as the clonee.

    St. Stephen@40: If a guy doesn’t want a child he should be using condoms. Period. It is not the woman’s job to make sure that your life works out the way you want it. If she wants a baby and  you don’t, then you sure as heck better be the one making sure that it doesn’t happen. She has a right to want one just as much as you have a right not to. And if you’re stupid enough to stick it into someone who isn’t in agreement with what the ideal outcome of your sexual encounter would be, you may just find yourself in a situation you don’t want to be in.  Men, don’t give your power away!!!

    This is not rape and not even an equivalent. Rape is an act of violence or coersion (giving in under threat of force)  against a person’s body. It is not an act of “stealing” bodily fluids  that  someone left lying around.  

    Goldie@41: It is simply amazing how men trivialize rape against females, isn’t it? They put it on par with stealing something that the female is supposed to give up anyway.

    When it’s against males, though, the whole world comes tumbling down (e.g., Penn State).       

  4. 44
    Jenna

    I agree that it should be a mutual decision. Which means that there should be mutual responsibility for making sure it doesn’t happen. Be honest here–how often is it that the responsibility for birth control is shared? Or that the guy accepts all of the responsibilty  instead of fobbing it off on the woman? In a dating situation most women are lucky if the guy even asks if she’s on the pill or using something! The best guys are the ones who just whip out the condom and put it on without asking. You have no idea how many points the guy gets for that.

    I think most women on here don’t identify with the sperm stealers and so have no sympathy for the guy outrage over it. It’s a little paranoid, if you ask me. If there were more guys whipping out the condoms I’d have more sympathy for the weirdo situation and be more understanding of the paranoia. To me it’s like this: Guys think they can get a free ride when it comes to sex because it’s easy for them to have a good time and they don’t have as many complicated decisions to make about it–way fewer physical and social risks. Females grow up knowing that at some point their life is going to be highjacked by a pregnancy, and they spend a lot of time thinking about it, either with anticipation or dread or fear or longing (all sorts of emotions there, guys, FYI). Some women just  accept the inevitable and figure that if the guy isn’t concerned, she isn’t going to be, either. She’s ready, she can handle it. So whatever. Guys seem to assume that women are responsible for giving them what they (the guys) want, and that what they want goes. Well, in this one area, guys are very vulnerable. Be as mad about it as you want. Won’t change a thing. Because if a woman wants a baby, she can have one. If you want one, you have to find a woman willing to give you one.

    But if this weird hypothetical situation gives men even an  inkling of what it feels to be violated sexually, then I’m all for  them thinking about it long and hard and even starting to think about sexual violation from a female’s POV.  Maybe they’ll become more responsible. When you’re responsible you can spot a  crazy woman a mile away and she’ll be more inclined to go after the easy targets.   

    1. 44.1
      Evan Marc Katz

      Poor logic, Jenna. In your post, you just threw around a bunch of hypotheticals that had NOTHING to do with the original question (men should wear condoms, men expect to get sex, men take no responsibility, men should think about rape from a woman’s perspective) This post was about women who steal sperm to impregnate themselves, unbeknownst to men, presumably against his will.

      Your points about men taking responsibility for sex and birth control, while fair, are completely irrelevant to the morality of the discussion at hand.

      Long story short: two wrongs don’t make a right.

      Unless you’re going to make the argument that because some men have sex, impregnate women and don’t take responsibility, that women SHOULD be allowed to steal sperm, keep the baby and have him take responsibility for something that wasn’t his decision. Are you taking that stand, Jenna?

  5. 45
    Greg

    @Evan

    Of course no sympathy for men.   Modern women are taught that men bad, and that women don’t have to be responsible for anything.   Thankfully most women don’t believe that nonsense.   But a number on here do.  

  6. 46
    Mike

    @Jenna 43
    “I would say that it’s also reasonable to believe that if a guy isn’t using a condom, he probably doesn’t care if he becomes a father or not and might even secretly be hoping for it.”
    Conversely one would assume it’s reasonable to believe if a guy does use a condom, he probably does care a great deal about avoiding becoming a parent, which is what the initial post of some condom inverting Jezebel was all about, and the fact that some women seem to tacitly support, and even justify this kind of atrocious behavior.
    And believe me Jenna, i’m sure your attitude would change if there was something men could do with your genetic material that you found to be a violation of your being and forced into legal repercussions in which you had NO RECOURSE.
    As Evan rightly points out.. if the shoe was on the other foot, women would be up in arms.
    The rape analogy serves 2 purposes. 1. it’s about someone having to deal with the consequences of being violated at the biological level and 2. to make women imagine a position they would find intolerable (as many Christian conservative legislators would like to impose down south) that is to have women who have been raped FORCED to carry the child to term and deal with the lifelong consequences of that act. The same in reverse as a man will have to deal with the lifelong consequence of a women creating a life using his genetic material in which he had no say, no decision making, and which the law will declare HIS responsibility no matter under what circumstance it was procured, legally or otherwise.
    And everytime anyone continues to insist this doesn’t matter, i care less and less for you, your position, or your blather about one not being equivalent to the other.
    I reiterate… i PRAY for the day when men have access to safe effective non invasive birth control of their own. ONLY then will the playing field level out. As the old saying goes… it takes 2, so if you want a kid, prove to be worthy to mate with, or go get the free stuff given out voluntarily at the sperm bank while it’s still viable. I’ve heard that will be in danger of paternity suits shortly as well. Once that happens, sperm banks will cease to exist. But at least false paternity will be a thing of the past as men will choose for themselves when they think it’s the right time to try for a kid. No more ‘oopsies’.

  7. 47
    Lora

    I would have to say that not only is it wrong and disrespectful to the men involved but also the child. One day the sweet baby is going to grow up and want to know where his/her father is and why he isn’t a part of their life. I think it is incredibly selfish of these women not to think of the person they are bringing into the world under such duplicitous circumstances.

  8. 48
    Saint Stephen

    @Mike Said (#40)
    “If a man wants to have sex and he keeps encountering women who don’t share his mindset- he might be tempted to “take the bull by the horn.”
    Great argument.
    As men are not (i repeatedly hear this from Slutwalk) entitled to a woman’s vagina whenever the mood strikes, so too is a woman not entitled to childbirth simply because she wants it.
    Mike, if a man desperately wants to have sex, there are “whores” for that. And if a woman desperately wants to have a baby- there are sperm banks for that. But most people wont take the honest route to get it. Why pay when you could get it for almost free? And as such, men deceive women to get sex. Women deceive men to make babies.
    An analogy. A man throws away an unwanted car, and another man takes up the car, beautifies it and puts it to beneficial use. I consider the first man a complete waste, if he comes back to condemn the second man for what he apparently discarded. If your sperm means so much to you, by all means preserve it.
    Mike- get off your moral high horse.

  9. 49
    AnnieC

    @48

    I agree with a lot of what you’ve said in terms of stealing sperm. If it is that deliberate, wether or not the woman goes for child support, then that is appalling.

    But when I hear comments such as “A man will finally be able to choose when he has a child, with male birth control” I want to donk my head against a wall. You already have that choice. You have alway’s had that choice. It’s just not a choice, that most men want to deal with. You can choose to NOT have sex, until you want a child. Problem..is solved.

    Of course suggesting this, is horrifying to so many men and women today. And yet, it is the most rational way to view sex. It can result in a child,   therefore don’t have sex, until you can take care of a child. No worrying about lies, no worrying about being used, having sperm stolen. Problem solved if you deal with the consequences of what you do, before you do it.

    And seriously, how many women steal sperm out of a condom?

    @those that say what’s the big deal? It’s alway’s a big deal when you create a human life. It’s a big deal to the child as well. Why do we treat such serious matters, as though they are just a bit of fun and a personal right?  

  10. 50
    Mike

    @St. Stephen

    Mike- get off your moral high horse.”

    Sorry, don’t feel like it. You were perfect right up to this part > “But most people wont take the honest route to get it. Why pay when you could get it for almost free?”

    Then you had to go muck it up by saying, oh men lie for this and women lie for that. So you basically say ‘Well people lie all the time so just accept it’. That’s why we have politicians.

    Your car analogy is flawed. It’s not a fully formed car. It’s the possible car that could be. I’d consider a patent to be more suitable. Steve Jobs comes has an idea for a phone and patents it. It doesn’t exist yet, it’s only in his head. Now he can tell people about his idea all he wants, he can show people diagrams and schematics, he can even leave a prototype out on the table and hope he doesn’t lose it. It’s still his intellectual property. Just because someone rummages through his trash and decides to make a phone based on those designs doesn’t mean Stevie can’t come back and sue him into oblivion for making something using his ideas.

    What these women are doing is creating something they have no right to create because they don’t have the consent of the owner of that material that is required to make the full product. You want consent, go to a sperm bank, pay for invetro, whatever. But this is theft plain and effen simple. The article talks about a woman stealing discarded semen that was obviously intended to end up NOT to be used for procreation (otherwise why use a condom?) The more you fight this, the more callous and downright ridiculous you end up looking. So keep fighting it if you want.

    @AnnieC 51

    Donk your head all you want. You wouldn’t believe how many gullible men believe their gfs/wives/sig.others that they are on the pill 99.9% effective and low and behold, they end up in that 0.01%. There are many statements in life that are based on certain truths like ‘hell hath no fury like a woman scorned’ or ‘if a woman wants to get pregnant, she’ll find a way’. Colloquials such as these aren’t borne of thin air so i would surmise the prevalence of ‘ooopsie’ births is higher than you want to believe. And that means there are many dads out there that weren’t ready and didn’t choose to be dads but had that decision made for them surreptitiously.

    Your other option of don’t have sex… well wasn’t that what the advent of the PILL, women’s lib and the sexual revolution was all about? To grant women the freedom from unwanted pregs and to be able to enjoy their sexuality without the fear of parenthood unprepared? Isn’t that what the whole abortion issue is about.. to not burden women with the consequences of an unplanned conception? You don’t see a huge double standard here? Wait.. you’re a woman, i guess you wouldn’t. Cake and eat it too right?

    How many women steal sperm from a condom? Even 1 is one too many, but i suspect it may be slightly higher than that, tho it’s easy for you to brush off to the side since it obviously isn’t a ‘womans issue’.

  11. 51
    Goldie

    I guess I shouldn’t have participated in this discussion, because it is pretty personal to me. My close relative, who helped raise me, did it in the 50s. It was shortly after WWII and men were in extremely short supply, so my relative had no chance of getting married and starting a family. As for raising a child without a father, again, it being after WWII, most families were missing a father in those days. The child’s father never found out, and has probably died of old age by now, not knowing he has a son. The son is a great person, quite successful, with a family of his own, and I’m pretty sure doesn’t regret being born. I understand that here and now, the situation is different, but even so, I cannot take sides in this discussion because I kind of side with both sides. Abstract people in the news are one thing, your real family is another, I’m in no position to throw stones here, you guys go on ahead without me.
      
    Seriously though, I assume the principle most of us live by is, Do not do unto others what you don’t want done unto you. What’s so criminal about doing absolutely nothing to the other person? he’s none the wiser. As far as he’s concerned, he had a one-night stand some time ago and that’s it. Not that I would ever do it myself, but hey, I have enough kids and don’t want more…

    1. 51.1
      ShivaD

      Hi Goldie – here is where you lose me. We cannot justify a heinous act just because someone we know and love did it. I would never expect the family member of a serial killer or rapist to ride the fence. From what I understand Ertha Kitt was the product of rape – should her family members be okay with rape because she turned into a legendary phenom? If your child gets beat up and bullied then grows up to be successful and credits his rough childhood for making him strong would you ride the fence on bullying? I would hope not! Wrong is wrong in some instances and stealing sperm to have a child is wrong period. Just bcuz your cousin turned out great doesn’t make it okay. There are plenty of ppl walking around based off of carelessness that doesn’t mean we push people to be and act in a careless manner.

  12. 52
    Jenna

    EMK@46: Logic has nothing to do with the issue. Psychology does. Why do women impregnate themselves without the guys consent? Because they can. No one is going to leap up to defend the male victims of this because men have been abusing their sexual prerogatives toward women since the dawn of time. If you can’t understand the complicated power struggles about sex between men and women, can’t help you.

    Mike@48: As others have pointed out, you do have access to safe, reliable birth control.  Condoms and abstinence. That you don’t find these two  options acceptable is on you. Female birth control options aren’t that great, either. Just wait till  you  actually get that pill and see the  effects on your body.  Then get back to us.  

    StStephen@50: Even if the woman you impregnate is a prostitute, you are still responsible for the child. But if you are having unprotected sex with a prostitute you might have bigger issues than unwanted pregnancy.

    AnnieC@51: I think that men usually separate sex and the conception of a child. Women don’t have that luxury. Hence the shock and outrage when women dare to present this reality to them. We’re supposed to do all the work to hide the reality of what sex leads to  so that they can have their fantasy. The other part of the fantasy–that what men pay in child support is in any way enough to raise a child. A single mom takes a bigger hit financially than the guy both in real terms, relative terms, and in career opportunity costs and has to do all of the day-to-day unpaid labor to raise a child besides. Most  guys are clueless about how much work caring for children is because they so rarely have to do it. Even a conscientious dad, who  maybe changes one diaper a day, thinks he’s contributing equally–and then wants a big round of applause for it. Clueless!

  13. 53
    Lisa

    I don’t see anybody talking about the welfare of this child.   When he or she asks about his dad, is this sperm-stealing mother going to say “sorry honey, he didn’t want kids with me so I took his sperm.   He doesn’t want anything to do with either of us.”   There are already too many messed-up kids out there.   DO NOT add to that!   It is beyond selfish and cruel!!

  14. 54
    Ruby

    Wow, some men are really protective of their sperm! Of course, when a guy wants sex, many of them are more than happy to leave questions of birth control completely up to the woman. Personally, I’m more concerned about the much higher number of kids who grow up without fathers involved in their lives at all, due to the father’s abandonment.  

    Here’s some interesting stats:

    http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?hl=en&gs_sm=c&gs_upl=1666l7871l0l9415l35l33l0l6l6l3l339l6129l0.4.20.2l26l0&q=cache:S-qh1hiHvn4J:http://withoutafather.com/facts.php+statistics+of+children+growing+up+without+fathers&ct=clnk  

    1. 54.1
      Evan Marc Katz

      It’s pretty remarkable how otherwise reasonable women can justify such a selfish act, under the guise of “Well, men are bad, too!” Ruby and Goldie, in particular, I expected more from you. You think it has NO effect on a man if he has a child running around with his DNA? You think is has NO effect on a man if he can one day be called upon to pay child support? And Jenna, you’re still making this sound as if the act of female sperm snatching has ANYTHING to do with male responsibility. It doesn’t. If a man discards a used condom and a woman fishes it out of the garbage to impregnate herself, leaving the man with unwanted offspring, it’s simply selfish and immoral. And no amount of “but MEN do X” is going to justify it. So please, stop with these straw man arguments about child support, birth control, abstinence and diapers. They’re irrelevant. Sperm snatching is wrong, no matter how many things men do wrong to women. You’d have to be pretty biased against men to believe otherwise.

  15. 55
    Goldie

    Evan, I apologize, I have already explained how I am biased for personal reasons. Basically I’m in a position where I cannot agree with, say Mike, without implicitly calling my dear late great-aunt a rapist. Seriously, if this were a court case, they wouldn’t probably let me sit on the jury because of a personal bias.
      
    I still think that the rape analogy was too much, though.

  16. 56
    Ruby

    EMK #57

    I’m not saying I think “sperm snatching” is a good thing. But I think the likelihood of anyone being successful at this would be almost nil. As the Big Think article states, condoms are full of spermicide, and sperm loses its potency fairly quickly. Basically, I feel like  “sperm snatching”  isn’t much of an issue, although I will say that women should be honest with their partners about whether or not they are using birth control, and trickery is wrong. Also, the rape analogy doesn’t apply and is insulting to anyone who has actually experienced such a violent, criminal assault.

  17. 58
    Jennifer

    I think there is a WORLD of difference between having unprotected sex during a one night stand and taking sperm from used condomns and bedsheets to try to impregnate yourself with.

    In the first case, the argument can be made that if he cared *that* much about not becoming a father, he would’ve used protection and/or discussed protection with his partner in the first place. Noted.   In the second case, no argument can be made that the woman stealing the sperm is anything but treacherous and unscrupulous.

    Some men actually care a lot about having kids and are very choosy about who they procreate with- which is one of the reasons they use protection. Not knowing if they have kids running around (let alone being hit for child support later) would not be okay with them and shouldn’t be. It can ruin the rest of his life. I really wouldn’t have thought there’d be a lot of room for arguing otherwise.

  18. 59
    Fleur

    My understanding is that since the early ’90s, mothers’ rights groups have raised $0 in their efforts to advocate for their rights to their children. On the other hand, fathers’ rights groups have raised over $50,000,000 in that same period to advocate for their rights in courts throughout the country. The outcome of this advocacy has been that fathers see their children more regularly and as a result they usually pay child support more regularly. Wealthy fathers who were the ones paying to lobby for change to begin with often pay proportionately less because they can afford the savvy lawyers to fight against support orders and they can afford craftier CPAs to adjust their tax returns or set up their companies for maximum preservation of their wealth and the least child support output. Many middle and lower income fathers though do get hit with big support orders compared to what they make and many can’t afford to heavily pay for attorneys to argue against these support orders. At the same time, most moms will argue that dads aren’t paying enough of their share. For either side, single parenting is hard, and the current laws often tend to confuse rather than ease things.
    The simple solution for men to avoid being victimized by this scam of a legal system is to protect your sperm. Not having sex is the only way to assure this. Only having sex in a monogamous trusting relationship where you have talked about the consequences is still a gamble, but it’s your next best shot at protecting yourself.
    My job is primarily centered around counseling single and often young new mothers. I hardly find any who with a newborn in tow have the time or resources to be hunting men down through our broken court system for support. Eventually they may get around to it years down the line, but these women are not having babies to get funded by baby daddies. Their decision to procreate on their own (however that happened for them) was NOT driven by money. They wanted to be moms.  

    On the other end of the spectrum, I have had more than a few moms come to me frantic when their children are one or two and their baby daddies return. These women typically honorably disclosed pregnancy status in early pregnancy and the dads took off. Once the mom and baby are settled and that first hard year is over, the dads show up again, demand time (sometimes 50/50 time with a child who doesn’t know them at all), often demand support from the mother and usually get exactly what they want from the courts.

    People use their kids as pawns and it’s disgusting. I am not condoning any of that kind of behavior from either parent. However, if there was a mutually consenting sex act between two people that resulted in a baby either because the man willing gave his sperm or just left it and didn’t dispose of it properly or some scenario in between, then I believe we should stop judging the woman who gets pregnant and decides to mother this child.  

    And if the glorious day ever comes when cloning is safe, I suspect that people are going to have to stop being so attached to their genetic material. If a fallen hair can be scooped up by someone and made into a child, we’ll have to become less attached to our otherwise useless body parts. I’m sure at that point in the future all kinds of unpreventable “stealing” of genetic material will go on that the government won’t be able to control. People are then going to have to realize that “your” baby is the one you raise, not the one that has your genetic material. Dad’s created the current financial fiasco in the court system that makes them pay support, but without that being the case (which will have to change once cloning is common) most of the men on here would probably not be so up in arms about this sperm snatching scenario. If a dad could just say to a woman who shows up with a kid on his doorstep, “Yeah I’m not really into being a dad, sorry, but good luck with that” and there were not financial  repercussions  for him, men like Mike on this forum might not be so up in arms. But this is where the men lobbied to be and so they either need to deal with it or change it.   
    The way I see it, there are three conversations going on here. One is that the “dad’s” financial and social future may be harmed by the current laws that force him to pay for unwanted children. Two is the potential moral harm done to biological fathers who did not intend to become fathers. Three is the psychological harm done or not done to the offspring. Depending on the scenario of the woman impregnating herself without express consent, each of these three concerns may or may not play a part in the eventual outcome. With every choice in life, there are risks and rewards. It seems that it is the individual woman’s decisions in each separate circumstance that will determine the outcome of that situation. This is not a cookie cutter scenario. Some women may not ask for child support, while others might; some men might be  appalled  and scarred by an unintended pregnancy, while others might not care at all; some children grow up just fine in a one-parent household, while others become the product of statistics that have them at lower measurable levels of success. Each scenario is individual and separate. The one thing that I feel all of us writing are hoping for is moral people making decisions that work for the greater good. Some of you writing think it is black and white and that no good can come from certain decisions. I disagree. You can never understand or know someone else’s story if you haven’t lived it. While discussion is a healthy and interesting form of working through questions, each person who lives through these scenarios should not be judged when we are only postulating.

    1. 59.1
      Evan Marc Katz

      “The simple solution for men to avoid being victimized by this scam of a legal system is to protect your sperm. Not having sex is the only way to assure this. Only having sex in a monogamous trusting relationship where you have talked about the consequences is still a gamble, but it’s your next best shot at protecting yourself.”

      “However, if there was a mutually consenting sex act between two people that resulted in a baby either because the man willing gave his sperm or just left it and didn’t dispose of it properly or some scenario in between, then I believe we should stop judging the woman who gets pregnant and decides to mother this child. ”

      Sorry, Fleur. As a man, I wouldn’t think that I should have to dispose of my sperm properly, since that’s what the condom is for. If a woman is such a sociopath that she would consider fishing a used condom out of the garbage, turn it inside out, scoop out the semen, and attempt to inseminate herself, I guess it’s safe to say that I wouldn’t have seen it coming.

  19. 60
    Mike

    “some men might be appalled and scarred by an unintended pregnancy, while others might not care at all; some children grow up just fine in a one-parent household, while others become the product of statistics that have them at lower measurable levels of success. Each scenario is individual and separate.”

    Basically she’s advocating that playing Russian roulette is ‘ok’ because it won’t kill the participants each and every time.

    Sorry Evan. I’m going to withdraw from this thread (no pull out pun intended) before i break one of your blog rules and start calling these women other names. When the best you can get is “I’m not saying I think “sperm snatching” is a good thing.” well it’s pretty much hopeless.

    I’m pretty sure you understood I wasn’t making a 1 to 1 equivalence saying the act of stealing sperm was identical to the act of physical sexual rape. I’m pretty sure on numerous occasions I qualified my remarks with the feelings of being violated, powerless, and having something done against your person, your will, and being left with both an emotional trauma and legal repercussions, not to mention a LIFE that is a part of who you are. Women with a serious feminist agenda only see what they want to see and try and claim that I said what they’re claiming. And the one fact they enjoy omitting is that rape is a criminal sexual act because there is NO CONSENT, yet have no compunction about creating a life using someone’s biological essence without their consent. Silence speaks volumes.

    The fact that we’re even talking about men having to ‘protect’ their discarded sperm (or have to worry that she didn’t swallow < i can't believe i'm typing this) is very disturbing. The fact that some women came out in defense of this was just jaw dropping. I want to applaud and commend all the women on the blog who did denounce this behavior and have a conscience.Anyways, I enjoy your blog and your advice very much. Keep up the good works!

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