When Should a Woman Have Sex With a Man?

The end of Wednesday’s blog post brought up a very important topic; perhaps the most common question I get asked by women whenever I give a speech:

Turn sex into a reward for good behavior and time put-in and you’re missing the entire point.

How do you know when it’s okay to sleep with a guy?

I discussed this back in March, but most of you weren’t reading then. So forgive me for recycling, but my views haven’t changed, and you definitely want to get in on this discussion…

No doubt about it: The first time a woman beds down with a guy she’s crazy about is an exciting and special time. Still, the question remains: When? Well, it depends. Some women are happy to get down to business the night they meet; others will wait weeks or months before doing the deed. Whatever a woman’s decision, we had to wonder: Does the double standard still exist today? In other words, if a woman knocks boots with a guy too soon, does she automatically nix her chances for long-term love—or is that old-fashioned nonsense in today’s modern-day dating scene? To find out, we grilled three women about the ups and downs of when they get down to business… and what they said may surprise you.

My two cents on the whole thing?

Men are sexual hypocrites. They push women for sex, then blame them for having sex. They’re particularly stuck on the idea that if a woman hops into bed with them quickly then she must have done this with lots of other men as well. This lowers her value in his eyes. After all, if everyone can have her, she can’t be all that special, can she?

On the other hand, I also know from personal experience that if a guy is crazy about a girl, and they move really fast, all the rules go out the window. In fact, this is the way MOST of my relationships have started. But then, I’ve always been determined not to be hypocritical when a woman has the same lack of morals I do. I love women with loose morals.

Men are sexual hypocrites. They push women for sex, then blame them for having sex.

The sex question is a popular one because it comes up in every dating situation. However, there’s no set timetable or finite number of dates that will let you know when it’s time to give it up. I know one woman who was told by an “expert” to wait 10 dates before sleeping with the man she was dating. The guy dumped her her after 7. … That’s what you get for playing by a made-up set of rules. Sex isn’t something you “allow” him to do. It’s something that you share and create together. Turn sex into a reward for good behavior and time put-in and you’re missing the entire point.

As a woman, your job is not to come up with an arbitrary number of dates, like the U.S. coming up with a pull out date for our soldiers in Iraq. Your sole responsibility before having sex is to figure out if he’s interested in YOU or in SEX.

I repeat: Your sole responsibility before having sex is to figure out if he’s interested in YOU or in SEX.

If you don’t know the answer, don’t have sex. If you think you know the answer, then have sex. And if you can’t handle the emotional consequences of making an occasional mistake, you probably shouldn’t sleep with anyone until you’re in a committed relationship.

This has been my personal policy for the past three years – no committed relationship, no sex – and it’s worked very well for me.

What are YOUR thoughts? Men, I want to hear from you, as well…

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  1. 181
    Katarina Phang

    As I said it in my recent blog post, I think When you ask yourself: should I put out?  The question should be rephrased to: DO I WANT TO and FOR WHAT REASONS, and CAN I BE OKAY WITH WHATEVER OUTCOME I MIGHT GET OUT OF THIS?

  2. 182

    Women the only time it is ok to have sex with a man is when YOU want to have sex with him. no arbitrary amount of time. Not when you think he is commited to you , or loves you , or will stay with you. If you only have sex with someone when you want to , because you want to , then you cant be used by him for sex , or hurt by him from sex.  
    it is very hard to find someone who you believe is the one you want to spend your life with. When you start your search with worrying about how long to wait for sex , or how many people have they had sex with , you dont start with the most important thing. What kind of person they. Is this person someone who believes in the things i do. Values the things i do. wants the things i do. 
    it is mostly true that men look for sex and find love. that is because sex is fun , much easier to find , and much less likely to hurt us if we dont find it than love is. Love is very hard to find and hurts very much when it does not work out. men want sex with all women , but we only want love with the right women. sex is easy and comes quickly in a relationship. Love is hard and takes time. If things dont work out you can still remember the good sex. you cant remember the good love with a broken heart. 

  3. 183

    In the movies there are less than 90 minutes to create a story, climax, and go home.
    In life you have hopefully 90 years, to create a story, climax and stay home.
    Every experience you have or allow, you will always carry with you.  Be careful with the story you write, maybe the old cliche of writing the last sentence first can serve you well.
    I don’t like computer viruses, I have protection.  I don’t drink and drive, I have a savings account.  I have an emergency/insurance plan in case of fire, flood, etc… I have a clear understanding of BEcause – Effect.
    Last time I wasn’t up on my information, I screwed myself over on the stock market.
    So, when out on the “meet” market.  I’d prefer to have full disclosure before entering the UFO. “Unidentified Fuking Offer”

  4. 184

    Q: When should a woman have sex with a man?
    A: When she is horny. When she wants it. When she thinks he will make her come.

    What the heck. Sex is not powerplay, it’s to enjoy for both people involved.

  5. 185

    Ah, the scarcity model: the sole purpose of knowing when to have sex shouldn’t be about whether he’s into YOU or just SEX. (Sure, consider it.)

    How about the sole purpose is: whether or not you’d like to have sex with that person?

    1. 185.1
      Evan Marc Katz

      Try “the practical model”, Lauren. I could care less who sleeps with whom and when. But if you look around, you’ll discover that there are a LOT of women who sleep with men and then freak out because they don’t know where they stand. “Is he going to call? Is he just texting? Does he want to commit? Is he seeing other women? What is he thinking?” My advice to these women is not to have sex until you’ve established a monogamous relationship. If YOU want to fuck a guy and can handle the consequences of him never calling again, then, by all means, fuck away.

    2. 185.2

      “How about the sole purpose is: whether or not you’d like to have sex with that person?”

      Well, I agree with EMK’s response but would like to add, I don’t KNOW if I would like have sex with that person, UNLESS I know wher I stand and how they feel about me.

      An analogy would be I see something in the grocery store, that LOOKS like something I might like to eat. It looks like some yummy sweet desert, and my mouth is now watering. The packaging says “low cal” or “low fat”. But on closer examination I see that that is low cal and low fat because it has all kinds of crappy artificial ingredients in it, that I have NO DESIRE to put in my body, no matter how delicious it might taste. So I put it back on the shelf.

      I might decide to buy the ingredients to make my own healthy version of a dessert, it takes a little longer, it’s a little more work, but then I know EXACTLY what I’m getting, and not only will it taste good, but I’m NOT filling my body with crap.

      So even if I am initially attracted to a guy, and his profile says all this wonderful stuff, and he makes my mouth water. (well you know what I mean) I’m not going to hop in the sack with him until he reveals himself through his actions. I just recently had an experience with a guy who’s profile said he was a non-smoker, and he was looking for a relationship. I met him in person and I was VERY attracted to him. We kissed good night and I thought I smelled the faint smell of smoke. I said nothing and went back to check his profile (some men will change their status to non smoker, before they contact me, then change it to “occasional smoker” after we meet.) Well, I went and re-checked his profile and it still said non-smoker, but THEN I noticed his height was listed as 6 feet. I am 5’3″, I was wearing 3 inch heels and he was about a half inch taller than me. Do the math, NO WAY was he 6 feet.

      At that point, I figured if he lied about his height, he probably lied about being a smoker, and since he asked me for a second “date” of coming over to his place to drink wine in front of his fireplace, I figured he lied about wanting a relationship too.
      My initial attraction to him faded when I saw how dishonest he was.

      So glad I read the label on THAT package.

  6. 186

    I’m really glad I was curious and looked this up. I’m dating this guy now. Today is like 4 days together. Last night we slept side by side and of course we cuddled, etc. It did escalate here and there. Just, the way he kisses and touches me, it’s reallyyyy hard to say no. I’ve never felt so much spark before. Muchless had someone actually adores me for me.

    Anyway, before we got together. When he was still a stranger. I hit him up for sex. I have needs and I’ve been single for awhile. We did see eachother that day I asked to see him, but instead of having sex, we just hung out. A couple weeks passed before we started dating, we were courting eachother; and not once, has the subject of sex came up.

    I’m just thinking, since things did escalate pretty hard last night. Next time it does, it’ll be THAT more intense to where I can’t stop him like I did last night. And yes I stopped him several times. Not a word was said, he never sighed or grunted in aggravation, he’d just lay back down beside me and act like nothing happened.
    It feels a little soon for me. Like I don’t exactly wanna be like “yeah we dated 4 days, then went all the way” that doesn’t look good. I just don’t want him to lose intrest either if I give it up too quickly that’s why I’ve been putting it off, mostly. (Also because it doesn’t feel appropriate right now) Everything feels perfect but I don’t want to screw it up by not saying no when I should’ve.

  7. 187
    Desert Mermaid

    Wow!  My ex and I divorced nine months ago. We have had sporadic contact since our divorce. Yes. We had “toyed” with the idea of reconciliation during the nine months since our divorce but I feel we are afraid and don’t trust one another. The longest stretch of not having any contact on his end was five months.  In the interim I had been sending email messages without any responses. When he got in touch with me I asked him had he received my messages. He responded that he had my messages automatically added to his email “trash” folder. I also asked him during a casual early dinner meeting if he was interested in reconciliation and his response was “In my heart yes, but . . . .” He never completed the statement. He shared he was dating on line. He shared that the women he had dated well . . . There was no “Chemistry” sexually. I discovered he has been online dating and having casual sex. Yet, when i kater read his online dating profile he goes into great depth about being a deeply moral man. As Marc mentions in his article, men are sexual hypocrites.My ex also shared his disappointments with dating. We continued to stay in contact while expressing my desire to reconcile. We went on a couple of dates and after I arrived home he expressed he thought I would invite him over. I had mixed feelings because I still love him and expressed it to; him reciprocated.. But I keep my boundaries even with my missed up emotions. I finally had to tell him unless we are dating exclusively and on the road to reconciliation I felt it was in my best interest to not get physically intimate with him. Besides, I had not seen him face-to-face in eight months. I had emailed him and never received a response so I wrote a personal hand written letter. About four days letter I received the nastiest email message when I opened my email box at work about I’m trying to pressure him, and to let his God continue to work on him. And that i was “trying to hard ” my response was that I could not continue to do the same things I had done in the past (name up sex) because jumping into a casual sexual relationship would not work for me or be in my best interest without knowing where I’m heading. And if expressions of love is what you fear something is not right since I’ve know you for over four years something dies not seem right. We should fear hate and indifference. Bottom line I believe he wanted me for a one night stand to get through his dry spell while dating on line. Yes. We has intense sexual “chemistry” when we were dating and while married but the chemistry began to fizzle out after two years into our marriage when real life and conflicts began to hit us; the second stage of our marriage – the Power Struggle stage. 

  8. 188

    He was ready after five weeks. I wasn’t. So he left 🙁 I really liked him. He thought I was wasting his time. I really wasn’t. I liked him but I wasn’t going to have sex until I felt ready And instead of him to have that conversation with me he avoided it, sent me a text about ME  not being interested in HIM and didn’t answer my phone call when I tried to call him. 
    You know after typing this out I see that he was an under cover douchebag. I’m a very attractive lady and I guess he thought I’d be an easy lay. I did like him. O WELL

    1. 188.1

      Sounds like he did you a favor. 

    2. 188.2
      Milos Radojevic

      Neither he is douchebag, neither you are bad for doing it. Honestly I don’t think that anyone would maintain relationship for 5 weeks if he just wants sex, which you can get in a few days with someone. But if you felt you believe and trust him, and felt horny at some point, why you didn’t do it? When 5 weeks past and I don’t get sex, I assumed that that girl is gonna play with sex power or she is just not interested in me, there is no other reason, except if she is virgin, or have some psychical problem about it. Sex should never ever be considered as power from women side, otherwise relationship is gonna fell apart or he’s gonna cheat, and not pursue sex from you anymore. What you said, I think he doesn’t believe you anymore, that you are sexually interested in him.

  9. 189

    Back in the 60’s when we were married you only had sex after you were married. So you never really know who you have. The guy I married was a disappointment ! He didn’t  (HATED) sex and every thing that went with it. He tried on our wedding night and IT   made him want to throw up. I was told that I was disgusting and vile, he wanted nothing to do with sex and couldn’t understand how anyone could lower them selve  to do some thing so disgusting. So were still married my mistake 46 years and no nothing from him. He’s lived in our basement and worked midnights all these years. To old to care any more about each other when my life ends I will be so happy.

  10. 190

    I’ve had men tell me they want to have a committed relationship just to have sex with me. So, keep in mind that doesn’t always work.  

  11. 191
    S L

    It seems every time a girl likes me, she wants to have sex the first day we meet.  And I don’t feel ready.  Both times the girl hated me for this.  I didn’t even have a chance to date them.  I keep in contact with the girls for years.  They seem more interested than one night stands.  Is it okay for a girl to reject men for not have sex on the first day.  One sent me to her psychiatrist.  I almost broke down talking about this to someone the other day.  I just want to know if I really need to have sex on the first day if a woman wants it?  I am actually a virgin.  But they don’t know.

  12. 192

    Yes I agree with that. If you feel confident that a guy likes you for more than just sex and you feel ready to handle whatever outcome go for it. It varies from individual to individual because some women have had experiences in the past of bad judgement so some can tell a little bit faster than others. It really has to do with reclaiming your power, knowing yourself and what you can handle.

  13. 193

    It seems in the comments I read the perspective is about ‘How the guy feels about you?’ vs. ‘How you feel about yourself?’.  I think the question is ‘How you do you feel about letting somebody inside of you literally and emotionally?’ Sometimes as a woman you just want to connect and have great sex.  Other times you want a deeper connecting relationship and want to be able to get to know the character of the man. If I take a slower route, (everything except penetration) I have time to understand how I feel about the man. Rather than connecting falsely via Oxytocin bonding and putting an unworthy man’s character traits aside because I have prematurely bonded emotionally via intercourse. I have deft put unworthy men on a pedestal because I have physically bonded before I got to know their true character. It isn’t a game of how men feel and judge you, as much as it is on how you feel and judge yourself, your needs and emotional well being! You are worthy of what you are looking for and that should be your goal to asses above and beyond how he feels. 

    1. 193.1

      If he doesn’t return your feelings, then how you feel about him and yourself are moot.

  14. 194

    I really don’t understand what’s wrong with you girls? I feel like here are talking all girls 18-20 without any sense about relationship, and much worse without any understandings about sex and men.

    YES, men search for sex, booty calls, whatever. But making “rules” based on only one guy or one type of guys is totally wrong, same as “Men are same”. Men, same as woman want’s the same thing at specific time of life, but religious and moral things makes up that we need to act like this.

    Something is worth if you make it worth, for anything not just sex. And most of girls here doesn’t understand that sex DOESN’T MEAN giving full yourselves, that’s bullshit and moral phrase. If you gave to someone sex, does it mean that you can tell him your top secrets? If you are smart, no. So it’s not EVERTYTHING. Sex is JUST a part of life.

    Would you date a guy that is impotent if you are sexually active? No, even if you think you can, I will tell you that’s not possible. Would you date guy that never likes to go to cinema or watch moves at home while you LOVE to watch movies. Maybe, but it would be obstacle in your relationship, almost same as sex. Point is that sex is same as anything that makes some relationship, so I don’t see any reason banning it, except for health and “what would people think” reasons. I would say to any girl that I would NEVER EVER wait some girl for months to have a sex, because she is calculating WHAT IF, WHAT AFTER, etc. I cant wait for months some girl so she can be sure that we are ready. I would wait for virgin, because I understand that’s unknown area. Also if I want booty call I would never be in real relationship for weeks just to have sex, that’s loosing of time. 

    Sex after marriage is worst thing ever, formula for bad sex life. Actually I wish my girlfriend had a sex before me, because we would have less problems than we have now, she would better understand herself.

    What I said at the top of this post is that if you value sex as “GIVING ALL YOURSELF”, which is not true, you will always feel miserable after having sex and being dumped. That’s the biggest problem with you girls. Clear example of it is this guy that got dumped by some girl after sex, she gave him sex but not relationship, and he ate his nails because of it, she produced same effect as if she gave him relationship without sex.

    Best example of nonsence of these “days before sex” counting is this: I met a new friend and I heard that best time of calling him to my home is 7 days after we met. Sound silly, right? Or even more fatal: I met new friend and I decided never to call him at my house, before we make a brothership deal (comparing to sex after marriage). Your body is your private thing what are you going to do with it as your house.

    If men waits for sex for months, it’s NOT because he thinks that you are most valuable person in the world, that’s because he thinks that you are MUCH MORE valuable than he is and that you are a great chance for him. One day you will have sex and he will be happy or you might pass that line of cross valuation he will leave you because he will think that you are not worth comparing to him. Girls mostly thinks that men compares them with other girls, but it’s not true. He will never think you are better than Leila, Samira, Linsi or whatever, he will always think, “I had a girl that is … , but with you I don’t have, so I deserve better”, or “I had almost always bad relationships, this is best”

    Srry for bad english, greetings from Serbia.


  15. 195

    I like this, good advice. I went on a date with a great guy last night and we made out in front of the bar. We talked about sex (I wanted to find out about his sex drive), and then I think we talked about going to his place, I said no, not on the first date. He accused me of playing games…but I said to him that I wasn’t I just didn’t want to go there on the first date.Well at any rate, we have a 2nd date. He said he had a good time. I dunno…I’m trying to do this the right way! I don’t think I will bring up sex again until he starts asking for it. And at that point I probably will just go for it, he is SEXY.

  16. 196

    I really enjoyed the article and some of the comments as well. There are a lot of circumstances and factors that could be at play. Sex is natural, but when you apply morality it’s really a grey area as to when two people have sex. Have I had one night stands? Yes. I will say that afterwards, the connection I had with them was greater than before having sex with them. I prefer to know someone pretty well before having sex with them. So definitely hypocritical, but I think there are guys like myself that will have sex in hope of a relationship taking form. Like I said before, there are so many factors. Sometimes sex makes the relationship, sometimes the relationship makes the sex. :p

  17. 197

    I had sex once 47 years ago and he hasn’t talked to me since! THis guy is my husband and doesn’t want anything to do with me. Right after wedding night he moved to our basement and built an apartment, and worked the midnight shift so he wouldn’t be home at night with me. I was a know it all and could fix anything, was I wrong.
    All he said he hate sex it was disgusting vile, not worth the effort, no meaning, to much work for so little. Didn’t ever want it again! He was never gay or had some one on the side, I’ve had him followed and investigated so many times.
    I don’t know why I stayed, buts its way to late now, I have no desire for sex or intimacy any more.

  18. 198
    angela veschetti

    Well sex is wonderful but women do seem to mix sex with love (which I think makes sense)but if you don’t think the other person is on the same wave length, whatever that is…. don’t do it someone will surely get hurt

  19. 199

    I’m still waiting

  20. 200

    I am a woman, and I have sex like a man. Emotionless – I don’t need to be in a committed relationship

  21. 201

    I only date feminist men, and as long as there’s a spark of physical attraction, I’m all good with sex anytime both are ready.

    I make a decent living, and I don’t mind being single or not dating, which probably makes me not that desperate to date the hypocritical types, who hope for sex, but then feel repelled after they have it. I have always felt this attitude as rather misogynistic, but whatever it is, I avoid it at all costs. I don’t want to deal with these men, so I make it my job to detect them on the first date, and tell them right there that I’m not interested in pursuing any kind of relationship no matter how much money they make, what care they drive, what clothes they wear, etc. Unfortunately, for me as much as for these fellows, them having a backbone matters more for me than whatever high number I may have would matter for them.

  22. 202

    As a man, I feel that your post is completely repulsive, foul and nasty. Blatantly obvious that in the modern day, the common misconception of “women give sex for love and men give love for sex” is totally demeaning and shaming towards men. Not only is it a generalisation of stereotypical men, but the men who do that are in the minority. The majority of men are actually in relationships for the feeling of support, and unconditional love – yet this entire post is making women seem like they are being victimised which is WRONG because the post is down right attacking men.

    So what about the men’s side to it all? Men (or we) are not the only ones who have had their self esteem put down because of the other sex. I personally know some women who won’t even talk to you if they consider you to be “ugly” yet men are always taught to be gentleman even in this modern day era. Therefore, I believe this post is completely demeaning toward men and are making women seem more of a prize instead of HUMAN BEINGS.

  23. 203
    Waterloo Gentleman

    Over the past 20 years I dated,  lets see, it must have gone out with over 40 women in a serious dating relationship during that time.  Each lady I went out on dates; going to dinner, seeing a movie, going to the museum, things like that.  I always paid 100% of the cost of the dates because that’s what a guy is supposed to do.  Each lady I saw anywhere from 7 to 48 times ( 10 to 20 times being around the average).  NOT ONCE DID I GET ANY SEX or any offers from sex from any of the women I have dated.  Most of them were nice, highly intelligent, and I enjoyed my time talking with them, but I was always relegated to the ‘Friend-Zone’ and never anything more than that. Now I’m 50 and I have told my 12 male friends that I would PAY THEM $100,000 if they can find me a lady who wants me for something more than just a ‘Friend’.  They know I’m good for it because they know my financial position in life, but 8 month later and ‘CRICKETS’;  nothing.   So now they’re telling me that if I want to have any form of sex life I need to go see “Professional” ladies (you know what I mean by that).  Sorry but I don’t think so, I’m not into that.  I like sex, its fun, but for me that’s not the reason behind life. Still, when I think about the fact that I’ve been sexless for 20 years, it gets to to thinking that maybe its a good idea after all.

    1. 203.1
      Karmic Equation

      Most women say that they don’t care about looks. That’s a lie. We do care. Some will just not admit it. The real difference between men and women is that women CAN grow attracted to a man even if she initially is neutral about him. For me, it’s binary, yes or no. A man rarely, if ever “grows attracted” to a woman.
      For some women, money and power make a man attractive, but these women will care for you only as long as you can provide for them. You stop providing, they stop being attracted. So prostitutes are probably better for you than these women. Cuz you might be tempted to marry a woman who’s attracted to your money. But hopefully, you’re smart enough to not to want to marry prostitutes or call girls.
      If you’ve got the money, but not the looks, you might want to invest that money into your looks. Start with clothing and hair style. Join a gym if you’re overweight. Figure out what your real league is. And date women in your league instead of women higher than your league.
      Then if that doesn’t work, then plastic surgery might be in order.
      Or just prostitutes straight up, if all you want is sex.
      If you’re looking for a relationship, you’re going to have to make some investments to improve your physical looks.
      Good luck.

  24. 204

    Should I have sex or shouldn’t I?
    Should I seek a real-ationship or visit a prostitute?
    Sounds like you should ask yourself, after soooooo many women why didn’t I make a move?
    Sounds like you have certain beliefs that keep you in the friend zone.
    Maybe beliefs like; a man always pays.
    A woman doesn’t like sex or maybe doesn’t need sex.
    Or the word sex, prostitute are naughty words.
    Sounds like before you can’t get it up you should give up.
    Give up on your beliefs that is.
    Just do the opposite of everything you do for a week.
    That will let you test your beliefs.  You need to test those.

  25. 205

    I think guys should be honest with what they really want, I’ve had a relationship where I didn’t sleep with the guy for two months and he withdrew from me. my opinion is that have sex when you really want it. but I don’t think its practical to wait after marriage cos u don’t really know if you and your partner are compatible. also a guy who likes you will stick around even if you sleep with him the day you first saw him. people are different and no dating advice is perfect. I’m a v and 21 and I’ll keep it that way till my heart is ready for sex. I guess its too fragile

  26. 206

    “No (monogamous) commitment, no sex”?  Excuse me, but what about those of us who specifically want sex without commitment – or the freedom to have multiple partners?

    Many people, both men AND women, find the traditional mantra “Sleep only with one partner at a time, whom you are committed to in more ways than sexual” to be oppressive and downright tyrannical.  It so happens that the gay male community long ago figured out that alternative sexual lifestyles are perfectly acceptable, perhaps because their being gay in a homophobic society already put them in a ‘non-conforming’ position.

    But what if you’re slightly bisexual:  mainly interested in guys, but every once in a while you like to sleep with a girl?  Are we supposed to forget about our interest in women altogether, unless we’re willing to commit monogamously to one in many more ways than sex?

    Sorry, but the very idea of traditional sexual mores seems to be an affront to freedom and pluralism at this point in our cultural history.


  27. 207

    AS A guy who has done A lot of dating, and been in four serious (long term) relationships, all of which I started out with the best intentions, I have a little insight into a man’s feelings on the matter.  If you are wanting a long-term relationship, waiting a few dates is a good idea, just leave sex off the table for a little while, unless…you have known the guy for a while and you started out as friends.  Make sure he is into you, and there is a mutual respect for one another, the respect to me is what breads love!  Just my thoughts on it, take them for what they are!

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    Wow, this is some very interesting stuff here. Honestly,  I once would have never cared either way about this. However,  I also was and still am an alcholic.  Today I’ve been sober for over a year and a half. I’ve had a a lot of time to work on myself in every facet of the phrase. So I found myself in a particular situation with a lady that I met over a year ago. We talked then when we saw each other and it was pleasant. It never went any further until last week when we met each other at a meeting.  The spark was there yet again.  This time we actually hung out. That night we talked for at least 4 hours about everything. It was very comforting being around her. My intentions weren’t for sex. However,  it did happen and we talked about it after the fact. Of course she brought up the whole you won’t respect me thing which I felt was silly because it wasn’t like I picked her up at a dive bar or anything.  I was open and honest with how I really felt about her. I told her I would like it to be more than just sex and I’m interested in cultivating a relationship with her. Yes it happened fast but I don’t feel it to be a bad thing. We both have common goals and live a sober life. We both are willing to be honest about how we feel and are communicating it immediately.  I have avoided relationships in recovery mainly because they were unhealthy before sex was even a thought.  In my humble opinion my motives are pure and my heart is aligned with my brain. So in conclusion,  I feel it to be perfectly ok to have sex right away or wait. I can’t tell anyone how to live I can only share my experience with others. As long as I’m not being selfish with my body and my feelings as well as staying honest with this woman it’ll be okay!

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    I very wel agree to your words. I think if all our ladies will agree to have a committed n a christian-like relationship before having sex……it will help us alot n i surely know that due to that most women in this world will happily have a fruitful n a long term marriage…THANKS

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    Evan, question.  Why do you consider a woman, or a man (like yourself) to have “loose morals” if they enjoy sex and believe that if they have a good date with someone and there’s a lot of chemistry, that love can as easily grow out of that?

    I realize most often it doesn’t, and I realize that there are many reasons why, one of which is the male sexual hypocrisy you mentioned, but I think that for an adult human being to have so little perspective that he changes the entire concept of the relationship based on how fast sex happened is…hard to respect.

    I consider myself to have quite clear morals and ethics. They just don’t extend to feeling an onerous burden to be sexually repressed.  Waiting is one thing, but having to underperform so he doesn’t think I’m a “slut” is….nauseating, unfulfilling and entirely misses the whole point of why I’m doing it.  And guys then complain when married sex gets boring.

    Well, yeah, you marry someone who was sexually boring, guess what happens?  They think they’re going to teach her passion.  Lololol.  That’s a GIFT, that can’t be taught!

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      Evan Marc Katz

      I don’t consider people who have sex to have loose morals. That was sarcasm, a joke about what OTHER people say about such people like me.

      I do think, however, that hopping into bed with first dates because of chemistry is not the best predictor of healthy long-term relationship status and that we’d all be well-advised to consider who we’re having sex with BEFORE we have sex instead of fucking first and asking questions later. But that’s a different story for a different day.

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