Do Men Owe Women An Apology II

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In an April blog post called Do Men Owe Women An Apology?, I shared the “Dear Woman” video that was produced by a group called Conscious Men. It featured sensitive, spiritual, new age guys expressing heartwarming, earnest apologetic sentiments about how men have wronged women.

I liked the message and agreed that men can become a whole lot better at relating to women. Many of you also agreed that while you liked the message, you weren’t crazy about the fact that the men delivering the message sounded more like women than men.

Enjoy this parody by Funny or Die and share your comments below. Please ignore the commercial that plays before the video.

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  1. 41
    Annie

    @41

    See here’s one of those male arguments I don’t agree with(usually an argument showing women don’t want equality).

    If men choose to go into dangerous occupations then that is the risk they take and can’t really complain that things aren’t equal. Just like if women choose to go into lower paying occupations then they can’t really complain when we hear about women earning less money, and saying things are still not equal. Women could go into higher earning occupations and men could go into safer occupations.

    It’s all about choice and they are mostly equal except in rare circumstances(Like special military forces) where we are dealing with a biological difference we may not be able to do anything about(though we can try).

  2. 42
    Bettina

    Andrew@41: I doubt very much that any man on this board is in a “death job.” This is as much a class issue as a gender issue. I don’t hear any guy expressing “gratitude” for the men and women who do dangerous or crummy lower-class work so that we above them can live in comfort.  The  pharaoh did not  build  the pyramids.

    Women also do crummy physical labor and are paid less than the men who do crummy physical labor. After these women spend all day doing that crummy physical labor they have more hours of work at home–taking care of the higher-paid men and the children and the home. Some deal.

    My dad worked for many years in a job with  a high rate of fatalities. Women were not allowed to do that work, but not because they couldn’t.  He pushed my older brother into that profession, and now that brother is sitting pretty financially and he gets to command a dynasty from his perch. This industry was forced to allow women in, and those women perform admirably well–if they can get beyond the intense harrassment and abuse they have to suffer in the early years of their careers. With the technological advancements of the last few decades the mortality rate of this industry has dropped dramatically.

    But you’ve missed one profession that has historically had an extremely high rate of mortality and which is 100% a female occupation: Motherhood. Until the last century the rates of death due to childbirth were extremely high–1% of all pregnancies ended in a woman dying. Google “maternal death” or “death in childbirth.”   

  3. 43
    Elizabeth

    Y’all are too heavy for me.   You’ve got to laugh at life  and how the two beings  – male and female – are so completely different in SO MANY ways and yet, we’re to be mates?    The ultimate challenge!    I was loaned a book written by Dr. Kevin Leman entitled 7 things he’ll never tell you (but you need to know).      #5 is “I’ve thought about sex 33 times today, and it’s not even noon.”    I laughed out loud at reading just the title!    Is that not the truth?   But the book is a great insight into a man’s view of men.   Even my 19 year old daughter read it and agreed there will be some things you just can’t change  and said  “you’d been learn to deal”.   Therein lies the crux of life: you cannot change everyone – but you can change yourself to “learn to deal”.   Learn to laugh, to get along.   One last thought: the other day, the  Dali Lama said  essentially that  anger only destroys yourself and NEVER the person  who created your  anger.   Cool off.  

  4. 44
    nathan

    Elizabeth, I don’t see much anger in these comments. Just people sharing and disagreeing with each other at times. There’s nothing wrong with disagreeing or debating. It’s a good way to learn in fact.
      
    I get along just fine with most people, and I also can disagree and debate without resorting to nastiness when that’s called for. I’m also a practicing Buddhist, and one thing about the Dalai Lama is that the guy comes off soft and always smiling, but he’s also got a great mind that he uses to dig into and debate issues with others. The guy gets along with nearly everyone, and at the same time shares his views, sometimes quite strongly.  
      
    Part of getting along with each other is getting to know each other more deeply. Can’t do that with discussions like this in my view.
      

  5. 45
    Annie

    @45

    Lol yeah we probably have gotten a little heavy especially since the video was quite funny once you got through the first part.

    But I guess we all have our “topics” of conversation that we feel strongly about. A good ole debate, even if feisty is better than no discussion.

    Perhaps this thread wasn’t the best time for that fiesty debate however 😛

  6. 46
    jack

    Bettina-
      
    Interesting to note that it took technological advancements in order to enable women to compete in that job market.
      
    As far as the intense harassment, well that happens. But harassment often is dished out to all newcomers, it is only the women that attribute it to gender. In some occupations, it is a test to see if you have the mental fortitude to handle the position. Emotionally delicate people probably need not apply.
      
    I work in a very male-dominated field, and the women who can give and take like one of the guys are accepted immediately. The ones who are all upset over terms like “manhole cover”   (Person-hole cover, you insensitive twit!!!) usually continue to endure subtle jibes and slights for a long time.
      
    I don’t see any reason why an employee group should have to completely change their culture just so the new princess can feel like she is getting to control the workplace. And let’s face it, wailing about terms like “manhole cover” is allllll about control. Such women are not actually offended. The feigned offense is merely a pretext for a display of control-freak behavior.

  7. 47
    Ruby

    Jack #48

    You conveniently left out the word “sexual” in your discussion of “harassment”. Sexual harassment of women is not a “test of metal fortitude”, or an objection to the use of words like “manhole cover”, nor is at about a woman expecting to be treated like a “princess”. It’s the harassment itself that is an attempt to control, not any objection to the harassment.

  8. 48
    Jadafisk

    #49. I was wondering if men regularly subjected other men to quid pro quo and groping…
    Also, the infusion of women into such an environment that don’t accept the status quo as god would probably improve the lives of the men who *don’t* like those aspects of male homosocial environments, but feel unable to speak up about it for fear of being further targeted/threatening their careers, let alone the men who don’t consider those occupations at all *because* of that environment.
    The new guy may not actually appreciate having his number scrawled on the bathroom wall… the slim, 5’4” guy may not enjoy being “playfully” pushed into things/people and being randomly lifted and carried like a sack of potatoes, the guy who reads a book on lunch break instead of talking about who he banged during the weekend in explicit detail may be less tied to protecting the jocular nickname “faggot” than people think.

  9. 49
    jack

    Jadafisk-
      
    You missed my larger point. My point was that such rough individuals probably need someplace to work, and perhaps some pockets of the workplace should and will always remain a bastion of such people.
      
    To suggest otherwise is to imply that you are willing to bring HR interpersonal meddling into every last nook and cranny of the workplace. Some people will never respond to correction. What then? Fire them? Imprison them?
      
    It is characteristic of social engineers to think that they are so smart that they can change everyone’s behavior and “correct” people that they deem flawed.
      
    Good luck on that one.
      
    I don’t go into violent parts of town. Do I have a right to do so? Yes. Is it my fault if a criminal mugs me? No.
      
    But-
    The wise person understands that some problems are not corrected so easily. It is easier and wiser for me to avoid those parts of town that are known to have high crime. Police and laws can only do so much. My desire to walk through that neighborhood unaffected is subordinate to my knowledge that I can’t always get what I want.

  10. 50
    starthrower68

    @ Jack #51,

    You missed my larger point. My point was that such rough individuals probably need someplace to work, and perhaps some pockets of the workplace should and will always remain a bastion of such people.
      
    To suggest otherwise is to imply that you are willing to bring HR interpersonal meddling into every last nook and cranny of the workplace. Some people will never respond to correction. What then? Fire them? Imprison them?
      
    It is characteristic of social engineers to think that they are so smart that they can change everyone’s behavior and “correct” people that they deem flawed.  

    We seem to have deviated off the original topic, but a workplace setting certain standards of behavior has nothing to do with “social engineering”.   While I’m not going to get into all the laws and acts I studied while I earned my BA and working on my MPA the nuts and bolts is, if you want to collect a paycheck from the company that you work for then you’d darn well better follow their rules.   Just a thought.  

  11. 51
    Kurt

    Is that Will Ferrel’s real hair?   Man, does he look old now!

  12. 52
    Jadafisk

    #51. Well, I imagine they can do what virulently racist people have had to do for a while now – pretend not to be horrible at work. We all do it to a certain degree, and I don’t see why those people would be thoroughly incapable.

  13. 53
    Juliette

    Hi Nathan, It helped me a lot to hear ‘Dear Woman’.

  14. 54
    valor

    dear women, i’m sorry for loving you and i’m sorry for trying to be a good man who treats women like human beings. i’m sorry for trying to be a better man than my father not realizing that an abusive narcissistic sociopath was everything you wanted in a man, after all my mother is still married to him so who am i to argue.

     

    snideness and sarcasm aside, the women owe the men an apology, a huge one. with every actions there is an equal and opposite reaction. the feminist movement has caused over 50 years of damage to men, so it’s going to take at least 50 years of reparations.

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