Do The Ugly Face Unfair Discrimination?

I read this blog about a recent movement to stop “discrimination against the ugly” and found it fascinating.

It makes a reasonable point. There are protections for discrimination against gays, blacks, and women, so why should we still be allowed to exercise bias against the unfortunately asymmetrical people out there?

Your gut may say that women are judged unfairly for their looks, but that wouldn’t be the entire story. Says a related New York Post article: “Men, in fact, suffer the greater repulsiveness penalty in general: Unattractive women earn 3 percent less than average-looking women, while unattractive men’s take-home is reduced a whopping 22 percent.”

The question I have for you is whether you feel that you’re judgmental of others based on looks, age, height, weight, education, or income… and, just as importantly…have you been judged negatively for one of those other characteristics?

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  1. 1
    Margo

    I don’t discriminate against unattractive people, and there are others like me, but sure they face discrimination.

  2. 2
    Julie

    When it comes to dating I know I am and need to change!!

  3. 3
    AQ

    It is usually more like sloppy ridiculous careless. Exercise, grooming and neat classic clothes can overcome 90%

    1. 3.1
      Rod

      “It is usually more like sloppy ridiculous careless. Exercise, grooming and neat classic clothes can overcome 90%.”

      Is not. That’s your fat prejudice talking. “Fat people who get discriminated against are sloppy, ridiculous, careless, they don’t exercise, they have bad grooming, and they’re not wearing a size six with the GAP label.”

      1. 3.1.1
        SC

        Isn’t it funny that just today I saw a very thin woman that was
        not well groomed in the least. She had old clothes on, her hair
        was unkempt, and she looked like she had just rolled out of bed.
        And I am not the sort of person that really notices this type of
        thing unless it is VERY obvious. I try not to judge people by
        appearance, but as I read your opinion about overweight people
        I remembered this. I was shopping in a store and she was an
        employee. So if she went to work like this, imagine when she is
        being “casual”. She could never be called fat. She probably would
        not be called ugly. But she was poorly groomed. To say that all
        overweight people, or what you call unattractive, are sloppy and
        lazy is ignorance at its best!!  

  4. 4
    Detha

    I am guilty of not wanting to date and don’t date people I consider to be less attractive than myself.

    I consider myself to be preety average looking but not a day goes by that men don’t stop and stare (I mean stare in a good way). Sometimes they approach me to and ask me out.

  5. 5
    Gem

    I am judgmental of others based on cleanliness. I date average looking men. I date men who stand to loose 20-30 lbs. I date men with average incomes. When I find someone I click with, I’m pretty open.

    BUT, there is no excuse, imo, for poor hygene. You don’t need a fancy education or high income to pick up a bar of soap. I don’t want to hang out with, or date people who are in need of a shower, teeth cleaning or nail scrub.

  6. 6
    helene

    To me, its about whether the man is sexually attractive, not whether he’s “handsome” per se. Some ugly men are very attractive (to me, at least!)  – an example would be the actor James Woods. Not, in my opinion, handsome in the classic sense of the word, but so charismaticand sexy  I’d definately date him! I did try dating a quite ugly man a few years ago because I liked him a lot in other ways, but unfortunately his charisma was not suffucient to overcome his bad looks. I remember sitting in a bar with him, looking around and  thinking “EVERYONE in this bas is better looking than you….” Not a good sign. I did persevere, because he was an interesting guy, very keen on me, etc..etc…  and tried having sex with him – but after a couple of times I woke up beside him and thought OMG I just cannot sleep with you ever again… and then I ran away from his house! So you can’t say i didn’t try, but if someone is just too ugly for you, what you gonna do??!

  7. 7
    SJZ

    This falls under the category of “well duh!” What is seen as beauty is very specific to a culture. Unfortunately the European-American standard of beauty is starting to envelope the world. What I think needs addressing is the discrimination against fat people. I watched Big Sexy on TLC and was appalled at the way these women were treated. What kills me is people get away with this kind of discrimination. I wish the Victorian standards of beauty would come back. Fat can feel pretty beautiful when trying to stay thin and starving because of it.

  8. 8
    Gem

    I don’t know…Kim Kardashian, J-Lo, Scarlett Johansen….these are not thin women, and society loves their fuller figured beauty. The fashion industry still seems to want skinny-minis but men seem to like women fit and healthy but not necessarily bone thin. Women seem to put more pressure on themselves to be thin than men do.

    1. 8.1
      Martha

      Kim Kardashian, J-Lo, Scarlett Johansen = fuller figured. Absolutely not. These are average sized women under size a 10.

      Fuller figured = Queen Latifah, Christina Hendricks, Adele. 

       

    2. 8.2
      marymary

      They are hour glasses, which is quite rare, and, yes, gorgeous. I think many more women are pearshaped.

      high fashion likes skinny skinny, it makes for a dramatic line, it’s not concerned with what men like.  but glamour and catalogue models are somewhat more “normal” 

      I’ve  put on weight as the boyfriend is a feeder. He likes it. I don’t and am on a diet, it’s nothing to do with what men like. (it’s about  fitting into clothes). I agree with you there.

  9. 9
    sharon

    @SJZ

    Because corsets and tight waisting were a better idea?

    People have always been crazy about the perception of beauty. Chinese Foot Binding, Maori tattoos, Skull binding in Nigeria and North America, and neck lengthening in Burma. Universally a great deal of expense, time and suffering goes into ones appearance. The fact the modern societies have more free time and money and technology available to come up with new weird standard of beauty but underlying impulse is just part of being human. 

  10. 10
    SJZ

    Gem

    You prove my point by saying that Kim Kardashian, J-Lo and Scarlett Johansen are not considered thin women. They are still thinner than most of the women in America today. We should hold these stars up as people accepting fat women as beautiful?

    Sharon
    By Victorian times I did not mean corsets should come back. I meant that the standard of beauty then was the more voluptuous woman. Being bigger meant you were well fed which meant you probably had money and could afford to eat. Half of the models I see walking down the runway remind me of what the concentration camp survivors looked like. How much thinner can women get before they disappear completely?

    1. 10.1
      Google

      Whilst I agree with your point that these are hardly representative of a larger lady I do however think that they promote one thing that maybe some of the fat women don’t and that is health. In the same way the extremely underfed model does not promote health.

      The women listed are the way they are because they eat well and exercise. We should promote that as beautiful because that is good for you!!!.

      Doesn’t mean that nobody else that deviates can be beautiful but do you not think that if everyone went for the models should be fat instead of models should be thin that would be just unhealthy.

      We should be holding up healthy natural women as beautiful. To be comfortable in your own healthy body and skin without trying to morph it into something its not that is beautiful.

      I am not speaking about the people who cannot do anything about there weight due to conditions either way but those who can be healthy should really try taking advantage of that.

  11. 11
    Robin

    Well,its difficult to discuss how big an issue of discrimination against “ugly” people is, because everyone’s idea of beauty is different.  I think some people may just lack self esteem, and think that people are discriminating against them unfairly, when perhaps, its their own lack of confidence thats keeping them from going after a bigger paycheck or promotion.  How many times have you seen attractive people (especially women) walking around bemoaning their unattractiveness, when there’s really nothing wrong with them that a little more self confidence wouldn’t cure.

    As far as I am concerned, presentation is often more important than bone structure or weight or height.   You may have the most attractive person in the world, but if he/she looks sloppy and unkempt, they’ll have a hard time finding a date. Take for example, Bradley Cooper before and after his transformation in the film Limitless. For me, cleanliness, being well groomed, and nicely dressed trumps model good looks every time.  
    Conversely, I often see stars on various magazines’ hottest whatever countdown whom I don’t consider particularly attractive.  For me,  Megan Fox and George Clooney…ehh…not that hot.  

    For me good looks does not necessarily translate to sexual attraction…I have a number of good looking male friends that I have never looked at as potential mates.  We are all more than just the sum of our physical features, so charisma, or intelligence, or a great sense of humor, or some other undefinable characteristic can transform someone from ok to wow in my eyes. 

    Laughing at Helene’s example in 6..but I concur.  Some men who are not considered at all handsome in the conventional sense can be incredibly attractive or sexy to me.  Seal..for example…so hot.  

  12. 12
    Gem

    SJZ, I personally don’t think society should hold up “fat” people as beautiful.

    Although “fat” is subjective when it comes to attractiveness to someone, “fat” isn’t so subjective to doctors who say being overweight is unhealthy.

    My point about the actresses I listed is that they are not runway anorexic. They are average to a little beefy actually, in a good way, and considered sex symbols. Just because they are still thinner than the average american woman doesn’t negate my point.

    I think it’s the fashion industry and much of Hollywood that is consumed by being as thin as possible, not the average American. The average American is bombarded with messages of exercise and health consciousness, yes, and considering many, many Americans are overweight, they should heed those messages. Pushing for “fat” to be in vogue and the new beautiful seems to disregard health.

    But back the point of ugliness….I can’t even remember the last time I saw a truly “ugly” person….Plain? Yeah. Strange Looking? Yeah. Homely. Sure, but down right ugly? Not really. Again, it’s just one of those subjective things I don’t get hung up on. 

  13. 13
    MAXINE

    ‘BEAUTY IS IN THE EYES OF THE BEHOLDER”

  14. 14
    SJZ

    Gem

    I am not pushing for fat to be in vogue or for it to be the new beautiful. I just think that people disrespecting fat people and getting away with it is wrong. It is a prejudice just like any other and should be treated as such.

  15. 15
    Jadafisk

    I don’t think I discriminate against the unattractive in any other respect besides dating, where it’s understandable to have strong physical biases. I actually discriminate against attractive men in some social aspects – they make me self-conscious and nervous due to the prospect of what could be, so I don’t form platonic friendships with them. 

  16. 16
    my honest answer

    Ugly people probably are discriminated against. Life’s a bitch, you know?
    But I totally agree with some of the other posters that so much be overcome with grooming. You’d have to be really ugly for it to merit notice if you were clean, tidy, and sharply dressed. Standing tall makes a hell of a difference too.
    I stress the importance of how you project yourself over how you actually look. Like so many dating problems, it’s more a confidence thing than anything else.

  17. 17
    Annie

    I’m with you Gem. I don’t really see many truly “ugly” people. 

  18. 18
    Jadafisk

    16. I dunno… bad teeth that aren’t due to oral neglect (congenitally missing, extremely crooked and/or with large uneven gaps) have negative cultural connotations that can definitely have an impact on how people perceive you and your earning potential.

  19. 19
    JM

    What is ugly?  I’d like to see examples of ugly people that are discriminated against.  Does ugly in this context mean not beautiful?  

    Fat is much easier to define.  Though some people are more extreme, there is a more obvious line between fat and not fat.

    I agree with the others . . .  There is much that can be done if you are less than attractive or overweight.  Hygeine, clothing, standing straight, a good haircut, lessons in applying make-up, etc.          

  20. 20
    Erinlee

    I think the media will always lean in the direction of thin more than lean toward overweight.  Thin sells, they stick with what works.  I don’t look to the media for what I think is ideal for me though.  I think people pay way too much attention to the rich and famous anyway.  Kim Kardashian?  Beautiful!  Do I care what they say in the tabloids about her though?  Absolutely not, I couldn’t care less what her or any other ‘starlet’ are doing with their time.  That stuff has no real impact on me or how I value myself or other people.  It’s just not real to me and I don’t understand how people can put so much stock into famous people.  Really?  Really, why care so much?  After all, they are just PEOPLE.  Wouldn’t we all be better off just concerning ourselves with how healthy and happy we are as a person, and the people around us that we care about?  Let’s be the one’s that young people in our community look up to.  Why must they develop their concepts of what is beautiful or healthy by watching TV?  I am a caring and excepting person and would like to think that I have never discriminated against anyone due to their size or looks, but I suppose at sometime in my life I have.  Ultimately, this girl here is just striving for tolerance of all types of people. 

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