My Boyfriend Is A Jewish Atheist And Wants His Children Raised Jewish. Should I Convert?

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I’ve been with my boyfriend for nearly two years. He was raised Modern Orthodox Jewish, but is a secular atheist like yourself. My father was raised Jewish and my mother was raised Christian. Neither is religious, and I was raised secularly but celebrating Christmas (and occasionally latkes on Rosh Hashanah, etc.). They’ve been happily married for 25 years. I’ve been to church maybe once in my life, and synagogue twice. I don’t like organized religion, but do consider myself spiritual.

We’re both in our early 20s and very committed to each other, though neither of us wants to get married until we’re more financially secure. There is nothing that would make us break up except for possibly the question of religion, and I’m determined not to let that happen.

I really love this guy. I don’t particularly care one way or the other about what religion we raise any potential children, as long as we teach them to think for themselves and be intelligent, ethical people. And we celebrate Christmas (not in a religious way, just in a Santa Claus way–it used to be a Pagan holiday after all). That’s it.

He wants to raise Jewish children because it’s important to him to pass on the traditions he was raised with. He doesn’t keep kosher, pray, keep Shabbat, go to shul, or wear a kippah. I have seen more Woody Allen movies than him and probably speak more Yiddish.

But I know a thing or two about Jewish law and I know that any children of mine would not be considered Jewish unless I were to convert. This is a major source of tension within his family, and I’ve actually overheard his mother say things to him about how I can’t be a “serious girlfriend” because I’m not Jewish.

My question is: since I don’t really care one way or the other, should I think about converting to Judaism for him in the long run, even though he isn’t religious himself?

I’ve read online that converting requires living in accordance with strict Jewish standards to satisfy both the Rabbi and the Bet Din, and it seems that those standards wouldn’t be things he is comfortable with in his own Jewish practice. On the other hand, I like his family and don’t want to cause undue tension there, my dad thinks it would be hilarious if I were to become Jewish, my mom has said she doesn’t care, and I know the idea of Jewish children is important to my boyfriend.

Does it make sense to look into this process and consider conversion even though he isn’t himself religious? Is that dishonest? It seems rather unfair of him to not be a practicing Jew himself but to want to have his children be Jewish but also to not want to go with me to things like Shabbat dinner. I’m just not sure how I’m supposed to navigate this. Help?!

Sincerely,

Confused Semi-Shiksa

You sure came to the right place.

Before I get started in sharing my very personal feelings about this topic, I want to frame this post by saying that if you disagree with anything I’m saying, that’s absolutely okay. Just spare me the shouting. Every couple has to create its own compromises and I’m outlining one that worked for me in a similar situation.

First, a little education for my many non-Jewish readers:

There are 800 million Protestants in the world
There are 1.2 billion Catholics in the world
There are 1.6 billion Muslims in the world

There are 13.9 million Jews in the world (0.2% of the population)

In the United States, which has the second biggest Jewish population outside of Israel, the percentage of Jews is only 2%.

So when people ask “What’s the big deal about being Jewish?” there’s your answer. Jews have been persecuted for millennia, they do not proselytize, and outside Orthodox families, they rarely have a lot of children. As a result, there is a danger that the religion might disappear from the planet — which is why secular Jews are pretty sensitive when people ask them why they care about being Jewish.

Next, Jews, on the whole, have a different relationship with their religion than most other religions. On the whole, Jews question their religion but value the culture and history of their people.

1. 22% of Jews by birth don’t consider themselves having any religion.

2. For most assimilated Jews in America, being Jewish is far more about culture than religion. 62% of U.S. Jews feel that way, vs. only 15% who feel that it’s mainly a matter of religion.

3. The intermarriage rate between Jews and non-Jews is up to 58%, from 17% in 1970.

In short:

There are a lot of agnostic/atheist/cultural Jews. 75% of them marry outside the religion, thus making the already dwindling numbers dwindle even further.

His family has no vote. “Jewish law” has no vote. The only vote that matters is what makes you happy as a couple.

My own anecdotal evidence reveals something similar. I have four older male cousins; all of them married Catholic women. My four best friends from college are Jewish; they all married gentiles as well.

For each of us, being Jewish is a cultural thing — far more akin to being black or Greek or Italian, than to being, say, Presbyterian. The same way African-Americans can nod and assume they “get” each other based on a similar upbringing, so can Jews. This identity — formed by years of persecution, education, values, rituals and shared sense of humor — is extremely powerful, and needs to be intellectually separated from the religion itself.

My wife — who spent 12 years in Catholic school — didn’t understand that when she met me. And she was surprised, when, after six months, I let her know that if we were going to continue the relationship, I wanted to raise the kids Jewish.

It could have been a breaking point. Instead, it was an easy compromise.

    • – My wife agreed to raise the kids Jewish.

– I agreed to allow her to teach the kids a concept of God — even though I don’t believe in it myself.

– I didn’t ask my wife to convert, because who am I to tell her what she should believe in private?

That was our solution, and it’s worked out extremely well for us.

Our kids go to preschool at a conservative temple across the street, where my wife has been embraced by the community. She is actively involved in social planning and takes great pride in witnessing our kids getting a sense of the Jewish culture.

I sometimes bristle when my kids mention God or say a prayer before a meal, but I always realize that my wife made a much bigger sacrifice than I did.

The only one who seems to have a problem with this is my mother-in-law — and if you’re reading this, Nana, I’m sorry. She is a true Catholic believer and was extremely upset that the kids were not going to be Catholic as well. I can understand and empathize with her feelings.

However, the moral of the story for me — and for you, Confused — is that whatever compromise you make has to work for you and your husband.

His family has no vote.

“Jewish law” has no vote.

The only vote that matters is what makes you happy as a couple. Which is why — if my Mom had a problem with me marrying Catholic, I’d tell her to deal with it. And why, if the conservative temple made an issue out of our kids not being Jewish by birth, I’d find another synagogue to attend. And why, despite my mother-in-law’s sincere and heartfelt protests, our kids are 100% Jewish.

Therefore, your boyfriend has to take a strong stand against his mother and tell her to get on board the Shiksa-train before it leaves the station.

My wife and I made sense of our own internal contradictions, and if that means that my kids celebrate Shabbat on Fridays while I’m busy on my computer, and my wife attends temple more than I do, so be it.

Same goes for your secular husband who wants Jewish kids.

I know I used this space to hijack your question and tell a very personal story that I’ve wanted to tell for awhile, but really, it doesn’t matter what I say.

This is between you and your future husband.

Sounds like you’re both on board with Jewish children.
Sounds like his Mom is not on board with a Gentile wife.
Sounds like you’re on the fence about the conversion.

Therefore, your boyfriend has to take a strong stand against his mother and tell her to get on board the Shiksa-train before it leaves the station.

And you have to figure out if you want to go through the grueling conversion process just for appearances.

You may determine that the path of least resistance is to convert because it would make your in-laws happy and answer any questions about your children’s religion.

But personally, I don’t think you have to “prove” yourself to anybody. Whatever works for you as a couple is what the rest of the world will have to deal with.

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  1. 21
    Adreana

    “I let her know that if we were going to continue the relationship, I wanted to raise the kids Jewish”.

    This is one of my biggest fears- falling in love with an Atheist (like myself)   and AFTER getting attached, they tell me A)  “I decided to revert back to my childhood religion and if you wanna be with me convert” or B) I “want to raise our kids to be religious”.

    If I was in a similar situation I would have felt duped( and yes, I would have walked away).

    If these issues are a deal breaker , please bring them up before getting exclusive…it’s not fair to the other   person  and give them   an ultimatum  and blindside them like that.    If I have kids, my job is to raise them to be good, moral human beings and it’s up to them to explore the religion of their choosing….

    Evan, I’m glad it worked out for you and your wife and you’re obviously happy, but gosh this post scared me so much!

     

    1. 21.1
      Evan Marc Katz

      You would have felt duped if there were any duping going on. There was not. I never lied. Never even withheld information. I’m a Jewish atheist who feels strongly about his identity and culture. My kids were always going to be Jewish. It was at six months into the relationship that my girlfriend and I finally had a serious talk about what this meant for the future and decided we were on the same page.

      I understand your point; I also know that bringing your dealbreakers to the table in the first few weeks is a) bad dating skills and b) often poor foresight. If I led off our dating with “I’m a Jewish atheist: here’s the deal!” my wife would have bolted. But once she fell in love with me, she learned that I wasn’t trying to impose my views on her, nor make my kids “religious” or anything like that – we came up with our compromise. The kids are raised Jewish with the concept of God (which is what my wife cared about). And when the kids ask – we tell them the truth. Mom is Catholic. She and her family believe in God. Dad is Jewish and he doesn’t. You are Jewish and you currently are taught about God in school. And in our family, we don’t judge anyone for having different beliefs.

  2. 22
    Marika

    I’m so sorry, Evan. I feel for you that so many people are attacking you on this issue. I was raised Catholic and like your wife I don’t really like many elements of the Catholic dogma, but do believe in a higher power. Until I read this post I didn’t really understand why you wanted your kids raised Jewish when you’re an atheist, but now I get it. I also sort of felt for your wife before reading this (not that that’s really any of my business, of course!), but now I don’t as I completely understand where you’re coming from (as much as a non-Jew can), and everyone’s happy in your family (nuclear family), so it’s clearly a great compromise.

    But the point that I think most people are missing is that this post is NOT about religion. This post is about navigating differences in a marriage. It could apply equally to any kind of difference – which of course will come up when you’re building a life, sharing finances, a home etc with another person who’s not a carbon copy of you.

    The reason I feel for you, is that you chose to share a personal story that is probably really hard to explain & reveal just to help the poster, so you could let them know this issue can be successfully navigated, and so that you can give an informed, helpful answer – and you get attacked for it.

    I don’t care how religious you are: 1. It’s none of your business how the Katz family lives, and 2. Again, this is NOT about religion. The poster wants to know how to navigate a family dynamic that happens to involve   faith, she’s not asking him what to believe or whether there’s a God etc..

    I know you don’t need anyone to fight your battles for you, Evan, but I couldn’t help but comment on this as I think the people criticising you are being unfair and invasive. Not to mention have missed the point.

  3. 23
    Shavaar

    no why should you have to convert? Tell him to convert to yours. Why is his religion so special and yours have to be thrown in the trash?

  4. 24
    silvereyes1945

    I can understand wanting to pass on your Jewish culture to your children, but you divorced yourself from the religious aspect of Judaism, so what makes you think you should be able to choose their religion? You grudgingly agreed to allow your Catholic wife to raise them as religious Jews, but you don’t do anything to actively teach them by going to Temple, etc. You aren’t kidding that your wife made all the sacrifices here, and you are self centered. Your kids could still be raised Catholic with pride in their Jewish heritage. For me, if it didn’t include a relationship with Jesus in the religious aspect, I would never have agreed with raising the kids Jewish. I could see raising the kids in Messianic Jusaism to honor Jesus and your Jewish roots, but no way would I have agreed to you picking the religion especially when you expect your wife to do all the leg work in the cultural aspect. I get the feeling she is regretting allowing to push this on her. You’re pretty selfish and your wife is a fool to go along with this at least as far as the religion part of it goes. Cultural Jew or not, you are really just an atheist in Jewish clothing.

  5. 25
    silvereyes1945

    I doubt it when you made no sacrifices. Make sure you put it in the parenting plan you want your kids raised Jewish when you see how “happy” you are in a few years. Most likely, she will grow resentful that she allowed an atheist to choose her kid’s religion especially when you can care less to teach them your self.

    1. 25.1
      Evan Marc Katz

      Most likely, you will continue to project things onto a relationship about which you know nothing simply because you don’t agree with the outcome of our mutual decision. Best of luck in finding your own love; maybe leave those of us who did it successfully alone.

  6. 26
    Ken Besig

    Even if his wife converts to Judaism, it would be a phony conversion and his kids would eventually   have to convert too especially if they geet involved   with real genuine believing Orthodox Jews who will explain how their mother was a shiksa and they are just Goyyim.

  7. 27
    silvereyes1945

    Already done. Been married 20 years. Match that record and you can brag. Until than good luck. You will need it.

  8. 28
    Frank

    So if you’re wrong your whole family can thank you for spending eternity in hell.

  9. 29
    Frank F

    I tried to post a message earlier and not sure if it went through. I thought about it and wanted to revise it with a genuine question. Do you think it’s right or even fair for your family to spend eternity in hell if your belief is wrong? Doesn’t that extremely selfish and self-centered.

    1. 29.1
      Evan Marc Katz

      This question is so stupid, I let it through twice. My genuine answer to your genuine question is that the concept of hell – much less a hell based on God knowing that you’ve accepted Jesus Christ as your savior – is so absurd that it has never once occurred to me that I was putting my kids in danger by raising them Jewish.

      Naturally, if you believe otherwise (and you do) my response is insulting. What you fail to see, however, is how insulting it is to assume YOUR beliefs are “right” but everyone in the world who disagrees with you is wrong. (And going to hell!)

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