Is Following Your Passion Really the Best Way to Find Love?

Is Following Your Passion Really the Best Way to Find Love?

Dilbert creator Scott Adams blogged about passion a couple of weeks ago.

“You often hear advice from successful people that you should “Follow your passion.” That sounds about right. Passion will presumably give you high energy, high resistance to rejection and high determination. Passionate people are more persuasive, too. Those are all good things, right?”

Well, as you know from reading this space, there’s a downside to passion, too. Passion allows you to pursue something (or someone) that may not be good for you in the long run. But at least you have your PASSION, right?

That’s what I told myself when I was a struggling screenwriter in my 20′s. That’s what Adams concludes as well.

“It’s easy to be passionate about things that are working out, and that distorts our impression of the importance of passion. I’ve been involved in several dozen business ventures over the course of my life and each one made me excited at the start. You might even call it passion. The ones that didn’t work out – and that would be most of them – slowly drained my passion as they failed. The few that worked became more exciting as they succeeded. As a result, it looks as if the projects I was most passionate about were also the ones that worked. But objectively, the passion evolved at the same rate as the success. Success caused passion more than passion caused success.”

Every blue moon, I’ll get an email from a reader who “just knew” that her man was her “soulmate” because they had “electric chemistry” and “immediately slept together”, and here they are, 35 years later, and they’re still just as “passionate as they were the day they met”.

Sometimes giving up on your original passion is the key to opening up to true happiness.

This becomes the argument for following your passion. While littered at the side of the road are the THOUSANDS of people whose passionate relationships ended in tears, devastation, confusion, and frustration, causing years and years of heartbreak.

I, for one, am THRILLED that I gave up my “passion” of being a Hollywood comedy writer, and “compromised” into my current career, which, while not as lucrative or titillating as being Judd Apatow, provides me with a consistent income, no office politics, the ability to set my own hours, no commute, and the ability to make a genuine difference in people’s lives.

In other words, sometimes giving up on your original passion is the key to opening up to true happiness.

Read Adams’ blog entry here and share your thoughts on the power of passion below.

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  1. 1
    Theresa Haupl

     
     
    No, thank you.  I am one of those believers in passion who did follow her artistic passion and became successful at it…and also held out for the right man–my type, my head-over-heels–and found him as well.  Just because things are difficult and sometimes very difficult does not mean one gives up –the rewards are too immense

    1. 1.1
      Evan Marc Katz

      Theresa, you’ve written three comments – all negative, telling me how wrong, silly or ridiculous I am. Why don’t you frequent a blog where you like and agree with the blogger? Your negativity gets me down. Besides, with your passionate career and partner, you don’t need any dating advice anyway.

  2. 2
    Julia

    Has anyone ever heard of a crime of passion? Passion isn’t always a good thing and can lead us into some seriously questionable situations. I know my last relationship was a crime of passion I committed against myself. Allowing myself to be miserable, controlled and put down just because the fleeting passion of the first 6 months. Never again. The best advice you’ve given me is to ditch the desire for passion and watch how a man treats me.

  3. 3
    Ruby

    Passion that isn’t tempered by reason won’t work. Even if you embark on a career you’re passionate about, it won’t succeed if people don’t want to buy what you produce or sell. You need the judgement to know when to call it quits if it isn’t becoming successful.
     
    Romantically, the importance of passion can depend on where you are in life. If you’re 22, a passionate relationship may be at the top of your list, and if you’re very lucky, and have mature judgement, it just might work out. I know a few couples who’ve had that and are still together after many years, although not without their share of ups and downs. However, if you’re 40, and longing to get married and have kids, a passionate relationship probably shouldn’t be uppermost on your list; you’d be looking for stability first. If you’re 60 and divorced, passion also might not be at the top of your list, because you have less energy (and fewer options) than a 22 year old, and a more complicated life to focus on at this stage.

  4. 4
    Joe

    “The flame that burns twice as bright burns half as long.”
    – Lao Tzu

  5. 5
    Helen

    Evan, I don’t think Theresa’s comment stated that you were wrong, silly, or ridiculous. She was explaining that the above wasn’t true in her circumstance. It’s the kind of answer I would have given if I had not read Adams’ article.
     
    Toward the end of his article, Adams acknowledges that passion does play a role in success, because people have passion for those things for which they possess some degree of natural talent. Hence, he feels passion for (and has success in) tennis, but not in sales.  I have passion for a particular area of biological sciences and have succeeded in it. But as Adams and I both acknowledge, it isn’t only passion that leads to success. It’s not PC to talk about one’s intelligence, however – more acceptable to discuss hard work and desire and determination.
     
    So my thoughts on this: passion does play an important role, both in determining one’s initial interest in something or someone and the energy with which s/he pursues it, but it’s not everything.

    1. 5.1
      Evan Marc Katz

      Theresa’s comment, since deleted, used the words silly, unattractive and juvenile. I see no reason to allow personal insults to see the light of day. And I see no reason for people who don’t like my advice to read my blog. It would be like watching a TV show that you hate. What’s the point? To yell at the TV and tell it how much it sucks?

  6. 6
    Helen

    Ah, okay.  Thankfully none of us saw those comments about your being silly, unattractive, and juvenile.  That is completely inappropriate.
     
    Evan, you might be surprised at how many people do yell at TV programs and say how much they suck. :)  Not everything people say and do is about reason…

  7. 7
    Jackie H.

    Passion is important but it has pros and cons like everything else…If you can afford the cons, go with passion…but if not, the middle ground is not always so bad…

  8. 8
    Goldie

    One thing I can say is, if Scott Adams was a total non-believer in following one’s passion, he’d still be in that desk job at Pacific Bell. How come he quit it and doesn’t plan on going back? I’m not saying that what you do for a living has to give you orgasms every day you do it, for 8 hours a day, but not hating your job really helps. Enjoying what you do helps even more. Every one of my colleagues who’s had any level of success in their careers, enjoy what they’re doing. Same thing in relationships. You don’t have to be head over heels for a guy, but liking him really helps. Plus, from my experience, the guy seems to prefer it that you like him, and tends to break up with you if he thinks you don’t. Can’t say I blame him.

  9. 9
    Rose

    I love this post and feel in agreement on so many levels here.

  10. 10
    Monica

     
    I agree with the first poster—passion is extremely important, perhaps the most important thing in life.  And one learns that it must be tempered with reason.
     
    I think it is quite wrong of EMK to delete what criticisms people may have of his advice.  One cannot have a blog and be sensitive about disagreement.
     

     

  11. 11
    Holly

    Monica…Evan doesn’t delete comments of those people who disagree with him respectfully. Personal attacks/insults are against the rules as he has clearly stated on his blog, and I believe he deletes these inappropriate comments whether they are directed towards him or another commentor.
    A lot of bloggers delete these type of comments, and I for one am thankful. There is no reason to personally attack another person and/or their character.

  12. 12
    Helen

    Monica 12: it would depend on the type of criticism commenters made against Evan, no? If it is constructive criticism, and focuses on the content rather than making ad hominem attacks against Evan, I’m certain he usually if not always lets it through. But calling someone silly, unattractive, and juvenile (as it seems was done here) is inappropriate, and serves no good purpose either to Evan or to the readers.

  13. 13
    marymary

    Monica, 12
    I disagree.  This blog is one of the liveliest I’ve come across, with all kinds of opinions and Evans allows lots of dissenting comments. Insults aren’t permitted and that’s absolutely right.  It’s not a free for all.  A blog isn’t an open invitation to be insulted anonymously.  Think of it like a houseparty.  If you don’t like the host, don’t respect his wife,  hate the music, are allergic to the food, and loathe the other guests you can always go home.  Or set up your own blog. If you have one, can we all come over and insult you?
    Helen, 8
    I do yell at the tv but evidently they can’t hear me
    Regarding passion, when I met my current boyfriend he made no impression on me. I didn’t instantly know he was the one.  No sizzling chemistry.  He grew on me and I now love him and find him very desirable.  I wouldn’t trade him for any of my previous high octane encounters. I enjoy being with him and he says he is always happy when he is with me.  Settling’s not so bad. Rather,  I feel like I’ve hit the jackpot. I think he’s a better person than me to be honest.
    No one is saying date someone you don’t like who bores you, but give that man or woman who seems a decent person but not amazing, and not your usual type, a chance. Not for their benefit, for ours.  
     

  14. 14
    Rose

    “You often hear advice from successful people that you should “Follow your passion.” That sounds about right. Passion will presumably give you high energy, high resistance to rejection and high determination. Passionate people are more persuasive, too. Those are all good things, right?”
    Well, as you know from reading this space, there’s a downside to passion, too. Passion allows you to pursue something (or someone) that may not be good for you in the long run. But at least you have your PASSION, right?”
    I love what you have to say here and really want to explore this. I totally agree with this for me though being pedantic the I’m not sure about the word passion I totally agree and get what  you are saying to me the word obsession comes to mind The first coming from the place of a strong sense of identity and the latter coming from a weak sense of identity.
    “Every blue moon, I’ll get an email from a reader who “just knew” that her man was her “soulmate” because they had “electric chemistry” and “immediately slept together”, and here they are, 35 years later, and they’re still just as “passionate as they were the day they met”.
    This is great how wonderful but so very rare and this to me is for people who’s electric chemistry is working properly. Properly tuned in. Coming from a fully conscious place.
    Sadly for most of us this just isn’t the case.
    Which brings me again to totally agreeing with what you wrote below.
     

    “Sometimes giving up on your original passion is the key to opening up to true happiness.” If I replace the word passion for obsession.

     
    “This becomes the argument for following your passion. While littered at the side of the road are the THOUSANDS of people whose passionate relationships ended in tears, devastation, confusion, and frustration, causing years and years of heartbreak.”
    Again totally agree and it makes me feel sad in my heart that this is happening. I don’t think they are sad when I say this, I feel sad for these peoples real suffering  it feels awful.
    And this I believe is because their electric chemistry  is broken. They believe this suffering is love, it is not real love like in the e mail you get once in a blue moon. it is pain. They have love and pain mixed up. This is when people stay with someone who is not good for them and call it love This is like stocknome syndrome.
     For the people who rely on this who it hasn’t worked for they are different. this immediate  ‘chemistry’ is not working for them hasn’t worked for them  If it had they would not be here Evan.
    I think it is great when you say dump them if they are unhappy.Sadly for most they are truly not able to do that until they have had some help to get to a conscious state to be able to do that rather than acting in a subconscious way and staying in an unhappy relationship Like an alcoholic in most cases is not just able to STOP drinking and first has to realize there is a problem, secondly have the desire to want to stop and then get the help to enable them. Which would be AA.
    With the people with faulty electric chemistry which is most of us I believe to get help to be able to consciously chose something different and better for us 12 step co dependency helps, along with other help and support . Like the alcohol is an addiction this electric chemistry and obsession (passion) is an addiction and neither do us any good.
     
    “In other words, sometimes giving up on your original passion is the key to opening up to true happiness.”
    I agree.
     
     

  15. 15
    Henriette

    Well, dear Evan, you asked in a recent blog that those of us who agree with you speak up more often so here I am, shouting YES to this post.  
     
    Passion:

    is a wonderful basis for love songs and romance novels but has little to do with whether a man has what it takes to create and maintain happy, healthy and ’til-death-do-us-part relationship with me.  
    makes me want to run in the other direction bc I know it messes with both my head and heart.   I generally have sound instincts but passion jams my radar and I find myself suddenly unable to get an accurate “read” on a person or situation. 
    might or (far less likely) mightn’t fade but character, basic compatibility and strong communication skills tend to remain stable over time.  

     
    The only issue I have with this is is that there seem to be many men looking for a romance that combines a Leonard Cohen song with The Notebook with a Shakespeare sonnet (why is it that women are the sex which gets saddled with reputation for silly romanticism?)  I’m losing hope that I’ll find a guy who believes as we do about the relative unimportance of passion.
     
     
     

  16. 16
    Gina

    Every now and then I will pop in and read this blog. As usual, Evan’s comments are very enlightening. Ever since I can remember, I have heard people talk about how  following one’s passion will lead to success. In reality, I have known people who have followed their passion (of the moment) and it lead them to financial (or emotional) ruin.
    Keep up the good work Evan.

  17. 17
    Rose

    “In other words, sometimes giving up on your original passion is the key to opening up to true happiness.”
    mean’t to say“In other words, sometimes giving up on your original passion is the key to opening up to true happiness.”

    If I replace the word passion with obsession.
    I agree.
    Real true healthy passion that comes from within and is driven from a place of joy and a want of leaving the world a better place is great.
    Unhealthy misguided passion i.e obsession that comes from a desire to be admired and adored is not so great and will not bring inner peace joy and happiness.

  18. 18
    morgan

    What an excellent means to demonstrate a great truth of relationships.  Clever Evan. Clever Scott.
    Helen @12 ‘ad hominem’ I do love a dash of Latin, nice one. Had to look it up though.

  19. 19
    sarahrahrah!

    @ EMK
     
    If it makes you feel any better, you appear to be better looking than Judd Apatow.  :)
     
     
    @ Henriette – 17
     
    Love the analogy of jamming your radar! When I find that happening to me, I remember that scene in the musical Fiddler on the Roof where Tevye asks Golda “Do You Love Me?” and she answers him indirectly by naming all the things she does for him.  When I saw this scene when I was young, I thought she didn’t love him. When I saw it as a teen, I thought she was very unromantic.  Now, as an adult, I think that she had a great sense of humor!  Anyway… I think about this in relationships where the passion is high.  Where is the evidence of his love?  If it is love, there will be evidence.  If not, maybe it’s just passion.

  20. 20
    Casey

    It’s ironic how Theresa’s comment perfectly demonstrates what Evan wrote about … the person who believes that because something was true for her, it must be true universally.
    I don’t think passion is unimportant in love or marriage.  In fact, I think it’s a necessity.  However, I believe there are two kinds of passion: the dangerous kind, which causes people to do nonsensical things without thinking through the potential consequences, and the kind that is developed for a relationship or a pursuit that adds value to one’s life.  The latter, in my humble opinion, is the one that is necessary for a successful marriage, career, or any other lifelong process.
    Sure, there are lucky people who experience love at first sight with someone who is a great practical match for them, as well.  But I don’t think that’s how “happily ever after” begins for most couples.  The day-to-day of marriage is more pragmatic than romantic, so it makes sense that a person would follow a more reasoned approach to finding and choosing a spouse than assuming that it’s not meant to be if you don’t completely lose your head over someone right away.

  21. 21
    Karmic Equation

    I have a passion for singing. I’m not bad. But even if I took voice lessons, I’m only going to be “not bad” or maybe even “pretty good” at best. Because even if I practiced singing 8hrs/day, 7 days/week,  I’ll never be an American Idol. I don’t have the gift of a great voice.

    I also have a passion to shoot pool. But this passion, if I do practice 8hrs/day, 7 days/week, I think I can get pretty good. And if I practiced that much, I might actually be able to go pro. This passion I can succeed in because hard work does pay off when applied to this passion.

    But my passion for pool–since I can’t play 8hrs/day, 7 days/week–I’ll only be better than average and can never go pro, since I want to keep taking home a paycheck from my work-to-live job. Yet if I were willing to give up my job so that I could practice every day all week all year, I might be able to succeed at this passion and achieve my dream, but it requires a huge sacrifice.

    In contrast, my passion for singing gives me personal/emotional satisfaction. And it doesn’t require any sacrifice to be “pretty good”. And just the act of singing feels good and gives me satisfaction. So I’m not going to give that up.

    But do I have enough passion to follow my dream of becoming a pool pro, which requires a big sacrifice? No paycheck, lots of table time.

    The fortunate thing is that I don’t have to give up singing so that I can play pool. I can do both as they’re not mutually exclusive.

    I think our passion for our partners can be analogized to a singing passion; and our passion at working on ourselves to a pool passion. Those two passions are also not mutually exclusive.

    Enjoying the feeling of passion for our partners is easy and feels good. We don’t want to give that up (maybe even when we’re bad singers lol). But when the rubber meets the road and one has to “work at” being our best selves: secure, accepting, uncontrolling, positive, happy–All the qualities that make us easy to love–most people are often unwilling to put in the “table time” and consider the sacrifice too great or the ROI too small.

    To relate back to the passions that Evan and Scott Adams are talking about passion…

    I think there are passions that make you feel good when you’re doing them and passions whose *achievement* makes you feel good when you realize them. In life they’re often unrelated. But if you analogize them to love of others and love of yourself, you can have both, as long as you’re willing to do the work for the passion that requires it: the achievable one which requires hard work.

    Loving others is easy, too easy sometimes. But becoming someone who is easy to love? That takes work.

  22. 22
    Rose

    I hear what you are saying Evan and get what you are saying Evan true inner core passion for something comes from a deeper place that just liking something.
    It is more like a calling. It is part of who someone is on a deep level. Not oh I like watching films so I have a passion for films. It’s different. I hear what you are saying though.

  23. 23
    Rose

    In work in order to  know if our desire is coming from and driven by good real healthy passion or detrimental unhealthy obsession.
    Things to seek and tune into internally to ask are. Is my passion coming from my deep inner core and being driven by a natural passionate love and joy for this activity that I want to share with others and create something that will leave the world a better place not harming others.
    Or is it coming from a surface level desire for gratification to fill a void, make me feel important an obsession to feel complete, to be admired, adored ,gain status feel powerful and validated from an external thing or others ignoring any harm I cause or facilitate others in doing to themselves. This is true in business and social relationships settings.
    In relationships do I already feel happiness and love passionately  wanting to connect and  share my love with another who is wanting and feeling the same. So our passion and chemistry are in synch healthy and are a good match. I am love so I give off this vibe and attract someone else who is giving off this vibe. Love = Love = healthy loving relationship
    Or am I obsessed in searching for that love from another person in order to feel complete and fill a void. I give off a empty vibe looking for someone else to fill me up, I attract the same. emptiness plus emptiness = emptiness. Still something missing. Doesn’t work. . And in some cases pain +pain = pain. Not good. Love is in you, in there not out there. So if you want happiness and love and to be in a happy loving relationship, first you have to be love and happiness to attract the same back.

  24. 24
    Speed

    In my opinion, “passion” is overused and overvalued nowadays, and the reverse holds true for “commitment.”  Passion is what you might feel on a first impression, first drive, first date, first day on the job, and so on. To my mind, “passion” means “energy, excitement, enthusiasm, fun.”
    There’s nothing wrong with it but almost by definition, this kind of   high emotion can’t last. A rookie becomes a veteran (soldier, lawyer, investor, shoe shiner, whatever) because they continue at something even when the fun is gone, even when they don’t want to. In short, commitment (or “devotion” or whatever term you want to use) is long-term and not fun or pleasant. This is why, as many people have written, it shouldn’t be entered into quickly or lightly.
    Personally, I need someone who really shares my valuation of “commitment” over “passion.” It’s why I always skip over online profiles where the woman mentions “passion” two dozen times, as well as wanting a “partner in crime,” a “soulmate” someone to go on “non-stop adventures with” and so on.
    I’m not being snarky when I state I hope those women find their passion matches. However, I’m looking for a slow-paced woman who can become a veteran with me.

  25. 25
    Rose

    Infatuation and lust  vs Love and commitment Speed.
    The first is based on surface level lust and brain chemistry and lust and fades with time.
    The second is based on the heart and deepens with time.
    For women want love and commitment and  who want to avoid getting their hearts broken again by becoming hormonally bonded by Oxycontin to someone and  something that more than likely is going to frizzle out and it is based on surface level chemically induced lust it is best to keep your knickers on and see if the later develops first before you risk bonding with someone who is wrong for you and most likely will stay around.
    Only the individual woman knows what she wants and is looking for, Lust fling and high risk of broken heart. If this is a patter, then it obviously isn’t working for you.
    Or love and commitment with the best value match for her.
    As men don’t bond the same through Oxycontin,the risks are lower in the broken heart stakes.
    Girlfriends be smart emotionally as well as intellectually. Sadly many intellectually smart women are not so smart when it comes to taking care of their hearts.

  26. 26
    Plutogirl

    One person’s meat is another person’s poison. I personally would NEVER give up on my passions, no matter how long I’ve been pursuing them. I’ve been acting my whole life, and giving that up would make me the walking dead. I would be an empty shell, just waiting to die. I don’t want the freaking steady paycheck. I would go mad just one day in the 9-5 world.  So what if I never have material things. I’m doing what I love, and that’s all that matters to me. Also, not everyone has to live their lives according to a schedule. Some 60 year olds have as much energy as 22 year olds (my parents are both examples). Why should a 60 or 40 year old have to go for “stability” and “complicated” just because they’ve seen a few more orbits around the Sun? Age has never meant a thing to me; I’m exactly the same person I was 25 years ago, and I’ll be the same at 98.

    1. 26.1
      Evan Marc Katz

      That, personally, is great for you, Plutogirl. But you are not everybody. And you’d be shocked at how you might be much happier doing something else. I thought I couldn’t be happy doing anything but screenwriting. It was my passion. It was my identity. I was WRONG. However it would be next to impossible to realize this until I TRIED something else. You’ll never do that, so you’ll never know.

      Next: stability and money are really, really, really nice. I’m 100 times happier now than I was when I was doing odd jobs to support my “art”. Not saying you would necessarily be. Maybe you really dig ramen noodles, one bedroom apartments and not saving for retirement. Wasn’t for me.

      Oh, and one more thing: I’m not sure where I said that age made a difference or that you had to have a “schedule”. Seems like you’re arguing with something I never said.

      1. 26.1.1
        Plutogirl

        Maybe I know myself better than you know me. Or maybe you could tell any person on this planet that they would be shocked at how much happier they might be doing something else.  Why not try telling  it to Lindsay Lohan or Carrie Underwood? The fact is,  I don’t want to do something else, so why should I? I’m not telling you to do something else, so why do you say that to me when I already have a happy life? Whatever happened to live and let live?
        I’m not everybody. That’s the point. There is no “one size fits all” that makes person happy. Your “meat” would be poison to me. I’m glad you’re happier making more money, but I have no interest in that, so please, be happy for me, and don’t tell me to make a different choice. And there is a huge spectrum in between the ramen noodles and being super wealthy. As an environmentalist, I find meaning in a scaled down life without a lot of things that equates to treading lightly on the Earth.
        The issue about age making a difference or having to have a “schedule” wasn’t yours; it was made by another commenter on this site.

        1. Evan Marc Katz

          a) Okay, Plutogirl. Live and let live. You’re clearly very happy and well-adjusted to start fighting with a stranger who found an alternative path from his original passion and, sure enough, magically got happier. That’s my advice. I’m sticking with it.

          b) It’s not like I came out into your bedroom and told you that you had to change. I write a free online advice column where people ask me questions. Obviously, if you disagree with my answer, there is no one-size-fits-all. But that doesn’t mean that some answers aren’t better than others. Good luck to you.

        2. Plutogirl

          Thanks, Evan. I admit I have an agenda, which is to encourage and inspire people to follow their dreams and not “sell out” for the money.  I also admit to being a radical who loathes capitalism. That is why I wrote the response I did.  I can see how writing an advice column helping people find love would be rewarding and meaningful. So thank you for the good wishes, and good luck to you too.

  27. 27
    Goldie

    @ Evan & Plutogirl, I believe in middle ground, personally. I’m probably selling out in that I work for a large corporation and doing pretty boring stuff instead of developing the new Google or Facebook or what have you. But at least I’m doing what I enjoy, and do not dread going to work every morning. I also have a full life outside of work, and a schedule that allows me to pursue things I enjoy.
     
    But how about this one… I have two children that are finishing high school and college next year, both hellbent on pursuing their passion. I don’t have it in me to advise them to sell out like their mother did. I think they should at least give their passions a try, like Evan did. If, ten years from now, they come to a realization that their passion isn’t working out, they can always settle then, but at least it’ll be their decision, based upon years of experience. They both know there is a limit to how far they can pursue their passion (I won’t be able to support them financially in their adulthood; they’ve seen my bank accounts and know that well; so their passion will have to pay at least for ramen and a one bedroom apartment.)

  28. 28
    Julia

    It strikes me that Evan does have passion for what he does. It would be really really hard to do what he does if he didn’t. Its just not the same passion he started out with in life, he had to find something new and grow into his passion for it.
     
    I believe the same is true with relationships. If you pursue the instantaneous passion in men, you might continuously be disappointed with the results. But if you grow into your feelings with a man who treats you well and is consistent, your passion for him might grow over time. I would prefer the slow and steady burn of a nice relationship compared to the fireworks of a 2-3 month affair.

  29. 29
    Joel

     
     
    @Evan 29
     
    Why does following ones art have to be Ramen noodles and one bedroom apartments?   Many writers and artists make it big following their passion.  Me thinks thou dost protest too much

    1. 29.1
      Evan Marc Katz

      @Joel – “Many artists make it big following their passion.”

      False. Very few artists make it big following their passion.

      It’s the belief that she’s going to be the next Julia Roberts or Lady Gaga or Donna Karan or whatever that leads tens of thousands of women to move to Los Angeles. You only know the ones you’ve heard of. You haven’t acknowledged the many depressed ones who are living on ramen noodles in Hollywood, the ones who went back home to Okalahoma to start families, or the ones who chose more practical careers instead.

      It’s a FACT that very few people make it big in Hollywood, for example. It’s not an opinion.

  30. 30
    Joe

    @ Speed #26:
    I don’t think you necessarily become a veteran when the fun is gone, but when the fun drops below the desire to excel.
     
    @ Rose #27:
    I would hate to be bonded by oxycontin to anyone.

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