12 Things Women May Not Want to Know About What Men Think…

This concept was liberally borrowed from Esquire’s 10 Things You Don’t Know About Women. It’s not relationship advice. It’s light comedy, built heavily on cliché and stereotypes. The readers at Yahoo! nearly crashed their comments section with their thoughts on either how amusing or how offensive this is. If you’re in the second category, you should probably not be reading this blog. Really. I won’t take it personally.

Anyway, here are 12 Things Women May Not Want to Know About What Men Think…

1. Getting angry at us for not reading your mind is like getting angry at yourself for not being able to fly. It’s not just futile, it’s physically impossible.
2. Yes, we do think Jessica Alba is hot. Sometimes we’re even dumb enough to admit it.
3. Don’t ask us to understand your shoe fetish. Asking us to respect it is even sort of pushing it.
4. You do look good without makeup, just not as good as you look with it.
5. Ever notice how we don’t fight with our male friends? That’s why we get so frustrated when we fight with you.
6. You care what you’re wearing infinitely more than we do. In fact, if you’re naked when you open the front door, you won’t hear an argument from us.
7. You don’t like to get hit on in public, you don’t want to date online and you don’t want to be set up on blind dates. Tell us if sending messenger pigeons is an appropriate way of courting. Because if it is, we’re all over it.
8. There should a statute of limitations on stupid things that we said that can come back to haunt us. I propose 24 hours.
9. Cooking dinner for a man is like buying flowers for a woman, except it takes a lot more time, effort and thought for you to do it. Thanks. We appreciate it.
10. We actually like your girly pet-names for us, but please, not in front of the guys!
11. Just because we like looking at the women in Maxim doesn’t mean we want to actually converse with the women in Maxim. Not for long, anyway.
12. Your nice guy friends are the most reliable source for telling you if your new boyfriend’s a jerk. And he probably is. (By the way, you might want to consider marrying that nice guy who’s giving you advice about the jerk.)

To read this live on Yahoo!, please click here: 11 Things Women Don’t Know About Men

What I’d really like are thoughts from men on what else women need to know about us, and thoughts from women on things men should know about what you secretly think.

Fire away. You won’t be judged here.



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  1. 1

    I think most women already know most of this stuff, but we choose not to aknowledge it. Thanks for bringing it to your site!

  2. 2

    Something out of the newspaper cartoons…The Lockhorns…

    “Of course you can talk about your feelings, I just don’t want to hear it”
    Men are annoyed when you go on and on about “how I feel”, for them it is like a foreign language, one they have never heard!
    I did it with my current boyfriend, and he was kind enough to tell me I was annoying him with it…of course, being a woman I couldn’t keep my mouth shut for too long…and one day it dawned on me!! There are ways to talk about your feelings and be heard!
    Just go to the point, tell him what bothers you, and zip it!

  3. 3

    I might add to that list (LOL):
    13. Don’t expect us to pay your way on dates. This is the age of equality. Chivalry is a one-way street in which men give & women take. Respect is a 2-way street in which both genders give & take.

    1. 3.1

      Collins, you’re wrong. Sorry about that. Equality comes when you’ve made the commitment to be her boyfriend. Before that, we expect a man to step up to the plate and prove he’s good enough. Paying for dates the first few times is one way.

  4. 4

    Please, Collins.

    It doesn’t have to be the $150 (or whatever it was) that the “You ate the food, you drank the wine, now do the right thing” guy spent on his date.

    It can be FREE if it’s imaginative.

    But if you feel the date must involve money? Then if you’re a man, PLEASE PAY FOR THE DATE.

    It’s not really about the money at all (unless you’re a cheapskate who also has no imagination, in which case you probably don’t date much anyway). It’s about a guy demonstrating his protective instinct for the woman.

    (After all — and it’s in the list — you want us to demonstrate our nurturing instinct, ERA (which I’ll note has yet to be ratified) be damned, by cooking for you, right? And trust me, that one’s much more of a logistical pain in the butt. Especially at the end of the day when we’ve worked as long in the office as you.)

    Also, if she’s a generous woman, she’ll pick up something along the way anyway — especially if you’re dropping a lot of dough. If we’re eating @ Babbo and I don’t get a round at the Bubble Lounge, or one of the cabs, then I’m just using you.

    And if you’re letting me do that because I’m a cute little blond size 0 and you ditched the nice size 8 brunette just for bragging rights? YOU’RE the sucker.

    And the equal rights thing?
    1) If you’re dating to find your significant other and eventually have kids, do you really want the household to survive on one income?
    2) If you’ve got it like that that in 2008 the household COULD survive on one income, and you don’t want to pay for one date? You’re CHEAP. Hideously unattractive trait.

    Pay for the date. Don’t whine about it. Nothing is less attractive.

    1. 4.1

      lol… Is it really that much trouble to make food for 2 instead of 1 like every day you were single in your adult life?  I mean, if pod is a necessity: flowers are a commodity.

    2. 4.2

      That’s the problem it’s either or, women want some of the old views mix with the new ones lol, and mostly all the old views are things that benefit them lol. Would you be fine if being a real women was to cook clean have sex on call when instructed to, have to allow mistresses when you are on your period cause you can’t satisfy him, and if he decide the relationship is over have full custody and all the valuables he owns would you still put that ring on? Nope cause it doesn’t benefit you, equality was supposed to prevent that and it did but for only one gender and that’s not equality it’s equality with benefits.

      1. 4.2.1

        Do you expect the woman to look nice on those first dates?  Wear a nice outfit, do her hair, wear makeup?  Do you expect her to shave her legs and armpits or can she come hairy to those dates?  Maybe she doesn’t need to wax her mustache (99% of women have this, by the way)?

        Ohhhh, so you expect her to conform to the traditional role of being conventionally attractive to the male gaze, yet you don’t think it’s fair to be expected to pay for a lousy meal (even though that’s part of the dating convention for men).  If you shouldn’t have to pay for a first date, she shouldn’t have to shave her legs.  This is what happens when you act petty.

        1. Leah Ma

          What do you mean–99% of women have mustache?  What kind of women are you around?  I’ve never had one.  No one in my family has ever had one.  I doubt that any Chinese ever has one–since they have little body hair to begin with.  Your comment is incorrect.

  5. 5

    I could not disagree with M’s post more.

    She wrote, “It doesnt have to be the $150 (or whatever it was) that the You ate the food, you drank the wine, now do the right thing guy spent on his date.” It appears she intimates that men expect the ‘right thing’ from women when men pay for the date. I personally do not know what the ‘right thing’ is, but if it is sex, this simply is inaccurate and unreasonably extreme.

    M conveniently ignores another thing when she wrote, “But if you feel the date must involve money? Then if youre a man, PLEASE PAY FOR THE DATE.” – What if SHE feels the date involve money? Should she not pay for it then? Or is he to ‘suck it up’ and still pay? Curiously inequitable.

    I would disagree with her characterization it’s about a guy demonstrating his protective instinct for a woman. How on earth does paying for a woman on a date relate to protecting her? Protect her from the big, bad bill? I submit that walking her to her car (assuming separate transport modes), walking on the streetside, are far better examples of demonstrating protective instinct.

    Besides, if we are going to call people names in the dating arena, if one calls men ‘cheapskates’ for pointing out these inequities, one can equally call women ‘lazy leeches’ for the same behavior. Not exactly positive discourse, is it?

    I also do not know what list M read, but I do not see anything resembling men WANTING women demonstrate their nurturing instinct by cooking for them. A lawyer would object to this as an example of ‘facts not in evidence.’ Evan’s list did not include that assertion at all. Respectfully, I do not see where cooking for someone (if that is what M means by demonstrating nurturing instinct) equates demonstrating nurturing any more than paying for someone demonstrating a protecting instinct.

    I would like to also note that no one but M brought up ERA. She’s right in that it was not ratified as a constitutional amendment. So what? Women have the same rights and privileges as men, and are usually paid more for the same work, particularly in metropolitan areas. (Reuters, Aug 2007). She ignores these facts.

    I would also like to point out the logical inconsistency and very inequitable view in the following comment by M – “Also, if shes a generous woman, shell pick up something along the way anyway especially if youre dropping a lot of dough. If were eating @ Babbo and I dont get a round at the Bubble Lounge, or one of the cabs, then Im just using you.” So she is ‘generous’ for picking something up along the way, especially if he spends lots of money. How magnanimous. He spends $100 and she spends $1 (proportionally speaking), and she’s generous? This paradigm is ridiculous, particularly in light of equal earning power.

    She also wrote, “And if youre letting me do that (not pay for anything – my paraphrase) because Im a cute little blond size 0 and you ditched the nice size 8 brunette just for bragging rights? YOURE the sucker.” Big assumption, here. Also, it conveniently places 100% blame on the guy. He’s damned if he pays 100% under this scenario, damned if he doesn’t, according to M, because he’s ‘cheap.’ Talk about a no-win scenario for a guy.

    She further wrote, “And the equal rights thing? 1) If youre dating to find your significant other and eventually have kids, do you really want the household to survive on one income? 2) If youve got it like that that in 2008 the household COULD survive on one income, and you dont want to pay for one date? Youre CHEAP. Hideously unattractive trait.”

    M mentions children as an additional option. This issue touches on other threads, but since she brought it up, I’ll comment further. This is another reason women seek men who pay for everything – their options (have kids, not have kids, stay home, pursue additional education, etc.) Many men feel women ignore this fundamental imbalance – that women, no matter what they earn, see having these options as their right (via men who earn more), but that men have no such option.it is simply their job to earn. Not very equitable, is it?

    It’s funny how women who don’t want to pay for anything have the temerity to call men that do cheap.

    She further wrote, “Pay for the date. Dont whine about it. Nothing is less attractive.” Her comment (and others in the post) employ shaming tactics, emotional devices meant to play on a mans insecurities and shut down debate. Her tactic is simply to demonize men (“Don’t whine” “cheap”) who ask hard questions which is basically an ad homimem attacks. It also argues nothing logically. In doing so she ignores, Collins’ point and the inequality that exists in the dating arena, telling men to shut up and just play by these rules that favor women.

    Analytically speaking, if a man is looking at a woman as a potential wife down the road, it makes sense to evaluate a woman’s traits as well. Part of that evaluation should, and would include whether she possesses selfish traits. I would submit that the more she expects by way of his wallet (particularly so if her earnings are equal to or more than his), the more selfish she is, thus making her a less desirable marriage candidate. Something to consider.

    And I could not agree more with Evan regarding the shoe fetish….

    1. 5.1

      Verbiosity @ 6 “I also do not know what list M read, but I do not see anything resembling men WANTING women demonstrate their nurturing instinct by cooking for them. A lawyer would object to this as an example of ‘facts not in evidence.’ Evan’s list did not include that assertion at all.”
      Your rambling tirade did not really address the points you were supposedly replying to or took everything out of context, but the above you just said was a real doozy, go back and read EMK’s article and read point #9
      “9. Cooking dinner for a man is like buying flowers for a woman, except it takes a lot more time, effort and thought for you to do it. Thanks. We appreciate it.”
      Men like it when women cook for them, I enjoy cooking for a man (or my son, or the office for a pot-luck or my girlfriends, but yeah, mostly for a man ! )  I really don’t get women who act like cooking for a man would set women’s rights back to the stone age.  I also don’t understand men who complain about paying for dates and come up with a $150 per date figure.  If they don’t want to pay for an expensive date, why not come up with some thing free or   nearly free ?   There are PLENTY of ways to do this.  I have given the suggestion here on this blog many times and it falls on deaf ears.  I think in this arena men who complain about this would rather complain then apply the solution.  And men are supposed to be so solution oriented.    I also don’t understand the complaint that women demand expensive dates.  If the man will just take the lead and ask a girl out for a specific date, instead of saying, “What do you want to do ?”  problem solved.  Call a girl up, ask her out for an afternoon of free music in the park, take a walk, laugh, etc.  If she refuses your date because it’s a freebie, you’ve just weeded out a gold digger. 

      1. 5.1.1

        I just have to give this (SparklingEmerald’s) comment an, “Amen!” So very true.

  6. 6

    I first came to this site a few months ago and I found it refreshing to read the male and female perspective on different dating issues. I thought finally a site that could give me some much needed help. Of late, however, the replies have become so mean-spirited and personal that it just about breaks my heart. Do the men and women on here actually like, I mean really like people of the opposite gender? I wonder sometimes. There is so little kindess and respect shown here. Instead of getting useful insights, I am learning yet again that women are bitter and angry and want to prove that men suck , and men are bitter and angry and want to prove that women suck. Yes, I know that some of you don’t want to be shown up — you want to get in the last word and show who is right and who is the boss. Sometimes, however, it’s best to be respectful even when others aren’t respectful to you. Why can’t we share our opinions without being mean? How about we all agree that when we share an opinion, that we are generally talking about the experiences that we have had or witnessed or heard about through friends and family and that what we say will not apply to every single man or woman on the planet. Let’s just agree to that truth in order to keep the peace. No, let’s do more than just keep the peace. Let’s share some stories about how wonderful it is when you find the right person. Let’s give each other the motivation to keep looking — not the motivation to give up! Ok, I’m done!

  7. 7


    I couldn’t agree more with your sentiments. I can only speak for myself when I state that I do not want to prove that women suck. Clearly, not all do. I do endeavor to point out the contexts within which many men make their dating choices, not all of them flattering to many women.

    Further, I take great pains not to attack someone (ie. – calling them ‘bitchy’ ‘crybaby’ ‘arbitrary’ ‘you must be bitter…’ etc..) for what they write. I do, however, point out inconsistencies, factual and logical omissions, and disingenuous arguments and argument methods. An example of this is my post above. Collins posted regarding women expecting men to pay for women in date in this age of equality of opportunity and earnings. Wil all due respect to M, her response was “Don’t be a cheap crybaby, pay for it.” (That is my paraphrase. Take issue if you wish).

    Notice I did not call M some “entitled” bitch. Notice I did not call her a gold digger. I did point out that by calling men (who don’t pay) cheap crybabies, she does not respond to Collins’ valid point about equality, which I added to…

    I will say I’ve found that, if you even remove my posts from consideration, a curious lack of genuine response from many (not all) female posters to the thoughtful posts made by men here (Lyall Taylor, Hadley, hunter come to mind). The usual tactic is to ignore their posts and to attack them personally as ‘unreasonable’ ‘cheap’ ‘crybabies’ “immature ’emotionally unavailable’ or other similar put-down. I agree this does not further respectful discussion. The vitriol worsens when one such as myself points out his behavior. Curious, isn’t it?

    I know my posts may be a bit wordy (verbosity – duh!), but I do strive for clarity in what I write so that readers do not misunderstand where I am coming from. I do think the main point of blogs like this is to foster open communication between the sexes so that each may see the other’s point. What I do find is is a shocking unwillingness to see, let alone acknowledge and understand, the points of view than most men make (even exclude me from that). I see a similarly shocking willingness to attack men for making their points, not the points themselves. I’d like to understand some more of the ladies’ point of view. By the same token, they have to also see, let alone understand some of men’s point of view. Communication is a 2 way street, no?

    I am disheartened by so many others who cannot have a discussion without personalizing it and slinging personal insults at the other. I will say a hearty ‘Thank You!’ to Tia Maria for her post, and hope for more from her.

    By the way, Evan’s #4 – “You do look good without makeup, just not as good as you look with it.” Sometimes yes, sometimes no. I like the ones who look better without it (makeup, that is)! They are out there!

  8. 8

    More true words were never spoken!

  9. 9


    The vitriol worsens when one such as myself points out his behavior. should be
    The vitriol worsens when one such as myself points out this behavior.

  10. 10

    My secret thoughts about men

    1. You score when you do what you say your going to do for me or others, call, show up, clean up, fix, write, whatever. You loose me when you don’t, especially when you don’t acknowledge that you broke a promise
    2. Almost nothing attracts me more than your acts of compassion for others. If you are good to others, your staff, co-workers, strangers, old people, children, your mother, I am assured that that you will be kind to me
    3. Smart is sexy too. Compassionate and smart is unbeatable.
    4. I am beautiful for my age by societal standards, but I worry that you will reject me in time for normal aging process, I can’t control.
    5. When you eat from my plate, I know you are comfortable with me.
    6. If I touch your hands or arms, I am telling you I am attracted to you
    7. The best date would be a walk in beautiful place, a garden maybe or along a shore, coffee or a glass of wine afterward. I wish someone would ask me.
    8. You need educating about handling my breasts, ouch – please be more gentle.
    9. I love your stories and the sound of your voice.
    10. Users leave all the planning, cleaning and making up to you.

    1. 10.1

      Aww, I like this.  I feel this way, too.  I agree with #4.

    2. 10.2

      Hi Belinda,

      I did and do all of the above for mine only to be let down time and time again by her .

      No effort ever.

      Your last point , sums it up.

      She was def a user, no job , lazy , demands a maid but doesn’t work.

      Slept till late everyday . And ran to mommy all the time


  11. 11

    much discussions about the paying for a date thing.

    heres how it is with me – i never expect that a man will pay the bill, so i am always ready to do the paying. (it doesnt matter who did the inviting.)

    but if he does – i find it quite charming and its actually a pleasant surprise.

    and you cant always just take and take and not give anything in return. well, at least, not for long, cause – what you give is what you get. you give – i give.

    its all very simple.

  12. 12

    I hate cheap people. Nothing worse then a cheap man in my books and if he put up a fight about the bill, it would be our last date. I think its incredibly tacky to go halfsies on a date also.

    Whoever does the inviting should pay. If a woman invites a man out, she should pay or atleast offer. If a man does the inviting, he should pay. Plain and simple. YOu cant very well invite someone out and then expect them to cover the whole thing every time unless you think your ish dont stink.

    I always like “not” paying for my date but if I do the inviting, I will atleast offer. If they pull out their wallet, I will put up a pretty weak fight LOL.

    1. 12.1

      Although I’ve always paid and refused for her to pay guys are better off staying away from you lol

  13. 13

    A few things that (I, at least) would like men to know:

    1. There is a very fine line between “protective” and “possessive”. The latter is not attractive in the slightest. Despite the tough front we girls put on, we really do appreciate it when you stand up to your friends for making fun of us or to anyone else who makes us cry. However, if you’re telling us that you don’t want us talking to guy friends we’ve KNOWN LONGER THAN YOU, or you start checking our phone messages, that’s controlling/possessive, and THAT pisses us off.

    2. Only make promises you’ll keep, and if for some reason you can’t keep a promise, give a good reason as to why.

    3. BE SINCERE. You know how you like it when we make you feel like we need you? We like that too. Making it clear how much we mean to you does NOT make you look like a wimp. Not in our eyes.

  14. 14

    Funny!  🙂

  15. 15

    M- all you had to say was your last sentence.
    Verbosity- did you have to carry it a hundred time further.
    I’ll bet 99 percent of men didn’t bother to read fully ether comments.
    Men zone out when women ramble for 2hr’s about something that they easily picked up in 2 seconds by reading between the lines.
    If a man wants you to pay your share – then pay your share.
    If a man wants to pay your way – then let him.
    But be smart and be prepared for ether.
    Learn from that!
    Ef – has a health perspective.
    Leanna – if your dating is so cheap then just stay home, it’s cheaper.

  16. 16

    A lot of us guys are tired of the proliferation of  piercings. The ear is nice providing it doesn’t look like a Xmas tree.
    Nose rings, on cold days the cold metal condenses your breath and like a sweating beer runs down the metal like snot.
    Brow rings, if you have ugly eyes and wanted to distract us away from them, then you succeeded.
    Nose and cheek post, looks like a mole that need to be burned off until we really get in close (if we really want to) enough to see it.
    Lips rings, you think I’m that hard up to kiss that?
    Belly/navel,  jewelry is nice, it gives us reason to stair in that direction
    Clitoris post, REALLY?—too much  emphasis on self needs and admiration.

  17. 17

    I’ve dated several women that stated they don’t like men that are “cheap”.  I noticed that all these women had amazing expensive clothes and furniture they couldn’t possibly afford on their income.  My conclusion was that they were up to their eyeballs in debt.  I chose not to date them because of this.  I know that not all women are like that, but there are a lot of women that think it’s sexy when a man takes care of her.  BULLS**T!
    I’m amazed at how women don’t see how amazingly unhealthy this is.  I can afford to buy dinner.  I can afford to buy ten dinners, but I don’t want to for the same reason I don’t want to give my niece Crystal Meth.  It’s bad for her.  It says, “I’m the candy man and you will forever be dependent on me.”   Plus, when I say jump, you better fucking jump!  Is this what you want ladies?  Men that pay for your dates are sexist assholes that don’t respect you as an individual.  They are telling you to play a role!  Numerous studies have proven this.  Even feminists agree with this.
    The reason us men back lash like this is because we’ve been disrespected and beaten by women that think that just because we want some real equality in the dating scene, we are selfish assholes.  My response to that is F*** off!

    1. 17.1

      Hi there,

      My response to your post is this ……high 5 !!! You hit the nail on the head with women like this . You want expensive things !!! Show you can fucking afford it then buy it .


      Problem solved lol

  18. 18

    For a woman to call a man cheap if he doesn’t pay for their entertainment is selfish, self centered, piggish and cheap in her own making.
    You wanted equal rights of a man so start living up to it.
    If I ask anyone if they’d like to go shoot some pool or go golfing, am I required to pay?
    Hell no! so why cant a woman be responsible enough to pay her own way for entertainment and refreshments?
    I see women out together all the time and they are all reaching into their purses to pay for their own drinks—-isn’t it time women stop taking advantage of men and start being responsible for their own entertainment cost.

  19. 19

    Tattoos are NOT art they are as artistic as looking at the comic pages in the back of the Sundays paper.
    They are as beautiful as seeing a two year old with a felt pen.
    Over 50 percent of all relationships are now from meeting online and a lot of men are now looking toward foreign women for life time partners.
    Reasons; because they are old fashion, they know how to cook real food and maintain the home, they don’t sport body piercings or tattoos and greet you with genuine pleasure  to see you after a hard days work. I’ve heard that some will even give you a message. 
    Check them out online guys, Asian and Eastern European babes will do all the things American women wont and without lips service.

    1. 19.1

      @icicles #20: You’re a little contradictory I think. U talked in #19 about wanting women to pay their own way, then in the next post u recommend Asian and East European women, cos they’re old fashioned and can maintain a good household, no tattoos/piercings etc. But that often comes at a price, those women will expect the man to be the breadwinner, and might want to do little to no work outside of the home. U often can’t have it both ways; I don’t know any East European women, but I do know that many traditional-minded Asian women want to stay at home, and just be a devoted wife and mother.

    2. 19.2

      Iciciclesi don’t know the f your talking about I’m chinese and mexican male I have grown up around both foriegn and chinese women and mexican women. And let me tell you they can be as independent and career minded as any american women. if you actually talked to real chinese or foriegn girls of any kind you would see that they are as diverse as any girls here. Also a lot of those mail order brides but not all are abused when they reach the states By men with attitudes like yours. You fail to realize that there are women who play into stereo-types everywhere. For example the stereo of the good submisive southern Christian housewife. Not that house wives are bad but stereotypes like the ones your buying into is bad. 

    3. 19.3

      Agreed. I find most tattooed “art” on men and women, now resemble the stall walls of a public bathroom. It’s especially sad to see it on women because it just looks so gross.  Unfortunately women today have been brainwashed into thinking that femininity is a bad thing.  Hopefully the future will correct the downward spiral, but I’m not banking on it.

    4. 19.4

      larrykeaton, western women nowadays want to behave like a man and men wants to behave like a woman. 

  20. 20

    @ #12, I feel the exact same way.  As I mentioned in a previous discussion, my boyfriend simply wouldn’t have it when I offered to pay even for half for our first several dinner dates.  He didn’t make me feel like I had to sleep with him because he was paying.  Now THAT was attractive and made me want to see him again.  But just like men can’t read our minds, women can’t read men’s and instantly ascertain their personal philosophy on who-pays-for-what. 

    Granted, I think if you have a good time, offer to pay, or at least split, whether you are man or woman.  I also agree with #13 in that if you plan the date, then be ready to pay for it, too.

    Also, geez, icicicles.  With that attitude, I’d be glad to pay for my shit so I could just get up and leave.

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