Is Adultery Inevitable?


It’s a challenging concept, isn’t it?

According to a thoughtful piece in the Huffington Post by Lisa Haisha, “Clearly the concept of marriage has changed greatly over the years. And with today’s rate of divorce between 40 and 50 percent, coupled with the prevalence of adultery in many marriages, perhaps it’s time for the concept of marriage to continue to evolve. According to Associated Press, Journal of Marital and Family Therapy, 41 percent of spouses admit to infidelity, either physical or emotional. This leads me to ask, “Are we really supposed to be with just one person our whole life? And if not, must we get re-married five times? Are there alternative ways to perceive and participate in a marriage that will guarantee its success?”

It’s our American culture that teaches us that a husband has to be the best friend, lover, partner-in-crime, transcendent hero and champion. It doesn’t work like that everywhere else.

A couple of things before we dive in. First of all, that 41% statistic was cherry picked to make the author’s case for reconsidering the nature of marriage. I have no idea where she got it. Because I actually looked at the study and the number was only HALF that. In a sample size of 918 people 23% of men and 19% of women cheated. And this was a group of people that averaged 31 years old and 50% weren’t married. So in a high-risk group of not-yet-adults, many of whom hadn’t yet pledged their lives to each other, four-fifths of people hadn’t committed infidelity. I hope you can see how framing makes a big difference when you’re looking at statistics.

For more accurate numbers, let’s look at this article on Psychology Today, which asserts that in a given year, there’s a less than 6% chance your partner will cheat, and over the course of a LIFETIME, a 25% chance that your relationship will suffer infidelity. It’s not a small number by any means, but it’s significantly less than the 40-50% range that people routinely throw around to justify why men are pigs and marriage is a bad idea.

Anyway, the author provides evidence that marriage means different things in different cultures. This is true – and the same conclusion Elizabeth Gilbert came to when she wrote her follow up to “Eat, Pray, Love”, called “Committed”. In it, she goes to Vietnam and asks women in a little fishing village two questions, “How did you know he was ‘the one’?” and “What makes him a good husband?” The only answers she got were laughter. It’s our American culture that teaches us that a husband has to be the best friend, lover, partner-in-crime, transcendent hero and champion. It doesn’t work like that everywhere else. That doesn’t mean I want the U.S. to necessarily be more like other cultures, but it’s an interesting look at how different people can view the exact same institution differently.

The author draws an open-ended but reasonable conclusion from all of this data, “Since marriage has evolved so much over the ages, and different cultures have different views of it even today, perhaps it’s time for the age-old institution to evolve yet again. Maybe the tenets of a successful marriage should not be whether the couple stays monogamous for decades, but rather whether the couple openly communicates about what their unique marriage will look like, what will be deemed acceptable and what will not, and then honoring that joint decision.”

If a couple knows themselves, has good communication, and agrees on their boundaries, any arrangement can work.

Sounds about right to me. I’m a live and let live kind of guy. I have friends who are polyamorous. I’ve met a few swingers along the way. I know of a guy who cuckolds other men by sleeping with their wives in front of them. I’m aware of another couple where the husband is impotent and silently condones the wife having sexual experiences when she’s on business trips. Whatever works, you know?

Personally, I think it’s risky behavior to open up your marriage to the unknown of sleeping with others, but that’s your prerogative. I think if a couple knows themselves, has good communication, and agrees on their boundaries, any arrangement can work.

And if it doesn’t, well, you’ve got nobody but yourself to blame. That’s why marriage, by definition, is about monogamy – even if monogamy itself is not a natural state.

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  1. 1

    She may have an MA, but maybe she hasn’t had a math class since freshman year. 🙂

    1. 1.1

      She is adding the percentage of men who cheat, to the percentage of women who cheat. So yes, she fails on several grounds.
      1) The addition of such percentages doesn’t make sense. If anything, you average the percentages out, weighted to the relative size of population of male to female.
      2) Cheating can only occur in a couple situation. If you are single with no serious partner, how on earth can you cheat ? So a population of male and female has to be ennumerated by coupling them up.  
      I think the huffpo woman is ennumerating a population of male and female whom she assumes are in a couple relationship, but not ennumerating their partners in the population. If that be the case, that logic 1) holds.  

  2. 2

    Traditionally and historically, marriage had nothing to do with love, but everything to do with the begetting and raising of children/heirs. Monogamy was a function of this marriage, to the extent that it ensured all male resources get channelled towards his legal heirs whom his wife borne to him, and to no other man. Essentially, marraige is a committment to your CHILDREN borne to both you and your partner jointly, rather than a committment to your partner. Of course this idea can be extended to children that both partners in a marriage adopt jointly.
    Personally I can’t see any reason whatsoever for people to get married, if they didn’t want biological or adopted children.

    1. 2.1

      “Essentially, marraige is a committment to your CHILDREN borne to both you and your partner jointly, rather than a committment to your partner.” uugghhh WTF!

      Who says this…???  The  bible according to Androgynous??

      Clearly this is your own  opinion as it certainly isn’t mine. Children should not  be expecting anything from parents who have worked hard all their lives and perhaps  as a couple choose to travel around the world together and actually enjoy each others company and share memories together as a  married couple  using the children’s inheritance  …or buy a boat  and sail around the world  or  what ever the hell they want to do!

      Marriage has everything to do with  the  partner and children are the by product of that union.     I have raised my children to be self sufficient and  have not been treated like I am subservient   or that my life is less than important as theirs.  

      If you truly believe  your stance,  you are raising the next generation of narcissistic adults.


      1. 2.1.1


        I think you missed the point of the previous post.   I’m taking the liberty of speaking for Androgynous but he/she didn’t say anything about subservience or about one life being more important than another.   The point is simply this: the institution of marriage was born out of a need to establish a clear line of succession rather than any desire on the part of the wedded couple to pledge their troth to one another.   Its meaning has changed over the years and it has taken on many colours, both legal and romantic.   You can spin it any way you like but there’s no getting away from the fact that at its inception, the primary purpose of marriage was to make bebbehs (preferably male :P).   I think that’s all Androgynous was trying to say.

      2. 2.1.2

        Androgynous makes a valid point about the history of marital commitment as an institution for safeguarding the needs of children.

        I am slightly concerned by the phrase: ‘..and children are the by product of that union’ in post #2.1 Product? Really? Is your language so divorced from the reality of human life and so keyed into the consuming values of society that your child is now demoted to ‘by product’?

        Clearly, not all people with children – married or not – choose to assume the role of parent in the fullest sense.    

      3. 2.1.3

        I too think androgenous was merely giving the historical aspect of the institution of marriage. The protection of children and inheritance.
        I raised my son to be an independant adult (he is now 24 and lives on his own) but the whole tone of your post sounds like you never gave a crap about your kids and only consider them to be the unfortunate waste matter that issued from your marital bed.  
        The end goal of coarse are independant adults, but they are born utterly helpless and dependent on their parents.     Unless a couple is super rich and can farm their “by product” out to someone else, it takes alot of love, caring, dedication and hard work to bring these helpless dependants into independant adulthood.   If this is cause for resentment, better off to not have children.  
        So I agree, the original purpose of marriage was the protection of offspring and inheritance, and unfortunately the relationship between the couple wasn’t much considered.   (Often there was no choice, ie: arranged marriages)
        Unfortunately now, the pendulum has swung so far in the other direction, with each marriage partner focused on ME, ME, ME, and not so much WE, and children are considered a horrible side effect of sex, and not the fruit of their union.
        I want marriage to start off as a loving union between a couple (not a business arrangement brokered by the family), but I would like to see that love and concern extended to the children who are born to that union, or the couple decide to remain child free, if they don’t want /can’t be bothered to care for children.
        Unfortunately, many times this is not the case, and the children suffer.
        As heartbroken as my son was, that we divorced when he was 21, he thanked me for giving him a good childhood. (His Dad & I were pretty happy for about half our marriage & I don’t think he noticed our growing apart when he was a teen)   He grew up proud to be the ONLY one in his circle of friends with his biological parents marriage intact.   His friends told him what they REALLY thought about their home life, and not what the adults in their lives want to hear.   There was HATRED expressed towards the parent that abandoned them.   (Some of his friend also lost parents through death, but due to being from a family with multiple dads, the siblings were split up after the death of the mother)   Another one of his friends lost both parents, one to suicide, another to jail.  
        I still have occasional contact with his friends, and on the surface they seemed to have turned out fine, despite their parental turmoil   (they all were raised by more responsible family members, aunts, grandparents, etc., so at least they didn’t end up in multiple foster homes)  
        So not every broken union/non union has to result in a child becoming a   parasitic or narcisstic adult, but it usually means someone else has to step in and take on responsibilities that were never theirs to begin with.
        I don’t advocate loveless marriages that nothing more than breeding/business arrangements, but please, someone think of the children.
        I agree with you about the inheritance, until a couple dies, everything they own is THEIRS.   My inheritance is not mine yet, and if my Dad needs to spend every penny in his old age for his own enjoyment, comfort, and well being that is his right.   If all I inherit is a set of dishes, so be it.   He earned his own way, and I’ll earn mine.

  3. 3
    Ben Iyyar

    There is nothing inevitable or acceptable regarding adultery, and there is no excuse for it either.   Just as there is nothing inevitable about theft, lying, fraud, or personal injury, these are all choices and adultery includes a little of all of them.   Marriage is a legal and binding contract between two adults who promise to behave in an honest, loving, and open manner.   Just as no adult would try to cheat the mechanic who fixed their car out of agreed upon payment, no adult in marriage should assume that they have any right to lie to their partner, cheat their partner out of honesty and love, to defraud their partner from agreement they made, or to hurt their partner by their adultery.   Sure people cheat on their spouses and they are wrong to do so.   Adultery is a sin, and it is also a personal crime against one’s spouse even if it is not a legal crime.   Adultery means the marriage contract has been broken and both partners have suffered an injury.   I have been happily married for almost thirty five years and I have never been unfaithful to my wife and children, yes children, because any parent who commits adultery hurts their whole family, not just their spouse.

    1. 3.1

      Thank you     Ben @3   – Excellent post.
      I get so sick of hearing people talk about relationships in terms of “It just   happened”.
      Affairs don’t just “happen”, they are caused.   The wind doesn’t just blow your clothes off and then blow two people into a bed.
      Considering the availability of a wide variety of BC methods, I think most “accidental pregnancies” are BS too.
      People “just knowing” they found the one,   and then a year later “it just didn’t work out”.
      People just want to “go with the flow” and “just let it happen” with relationships, sliding, not deciding into unions.       (the sliding not deciding quote isn’t mine, I don’t know who said it first, but I think it accurately defines much of what is happening today in the world of relationships)
      So much passivity going on when people speak of relationships.   We had a discussion on this blog about the meaning of the term “intentional dating” and it of course it devolved into a semantic debate, but semantics aside, I would like to see people be more intentional and less just “letting things happen” when it comes to relationships.
      Why do people want to just “go with the flow” and then act so surprised when their love life ends up on the rocks ?

    2. 3.2

      Thank you Ben. You sound like an honorable man abd a good husband and father.  

    3. 3.3

      I love you!

  4. 4

    Actually, Doug, Androgynous is correct in that the marriage contract was originally formulated to protect the inheritances of moneyed classes (often aristocrats and royalty). It had nothing to do with ‘love’. For lower social orders marriage only became the norm when people began to live in communities that gave them territory (with or without ownership) that needed protection. Again, nothing to do with ‘love’. The stuff related to infidelity was only to ensure that offspring had a legitimate claim on assets or titles, and tended to apply to the woman more than the man as the woman was technically the man’s property. Marriage – as a traditional institution – is grossly unequal and iniquitous and yes, only serves to protect children and property.
    However, life has moved on and our world now expects different things and behaves in different ways from those early days. For the vast majority of people in the Western world those notions of marriage are totally unacceptable and irrelevant. However, the laws that underpin the marriage contract still reflect those early days. I guess what Marc is saying is that we perhaps need to review, and reflect on, what marriage actually means to most people today. The liberating of marriage laws to include homosexual people is the ideal opportunity for this as many of the things that we assume in heterosexual marriage do not apply. For example, a gay couple cannot dissolve a marriage on the basis of adultery, which brings the whole idea of fidelity as an essential component into question. If it is not acceptable for some, why is it not acceptable across the board? What is at the root of infidelity being unacceptable? If the marriage contract is structured to ensure children inherit any assets what of people who marry and don’t have children? What do they do with their assets? Why can’t they ‘spend’ them while alive and not have to consider protecting them? (possible but in practice very hard to do).
    Essentially, modern marriage is a personal contract with certain elements rooted in law yet, the structure and culture does not reflect this. is worth a read – Giddens in general has a handle on modern relationships.

    1. 4.1

      Side note, why can’t a gay couple dissolve a marriage for cause (i.e. adultery etc.)?   That is still an option in some states and countries that allow gay civil unions or marriages.  
      The question of people who marry and don’t have children is also simple, they generally chose another family member/business partner/ semi-adopted protoge to get the bulk of their assets after death.   Inheritance is a legal question, and people have always had the right to disinherit or repudiate their children (legally and religiously).
      Also, I would hardly say that marriage was always a grossly unequal institution as per the sexes.   It functioned as a way for a man to be relatively sure of paternity and access to sex.   For women, *obligatory* child support and access to sex.   In most cultures, denial of the “marital debt” was considered seriously disordered behavior as well as abandonment of wives and children.  
      If you want to really look at what happens when marriage no longer occurs, look at especially the black lower class in the US.   An absolute nightmare as regards social outcomes and advancement.

  5. 5

    I am a happily married 41 year old African American woman. I agree with Evan’s perspective, but I wanted to share. My husband and I know of a couple who are swingers. It started out great for both parties, but two years later, the wife is no longer interested in the activity. Unfortunately, the husband is enjoying himself immensely, and the wife feels stuck in a situation she has no control over. I caution others to proceed with caution when considering this and similar activities.

  6. 6

    Anonymous is right about the development of the institution of marriage, in European societies, it was more of a legal contract. In the tribes, the top priority was the children which ALL in the tribe are/were expected to look out for. A woman’s top priority was to keep the tribe going by providing children,
    the father
    was expected to provide/protect the children and the tribe as a whole. As long as a woman knew who the father was of her children, that’s all that mattered. It
    was understood that people change throughout life,

    that people grow apart from their partners and may take new

    ones. I am not talking about cheating left and right but that ones partner in their 20s may be a different
    person than their 50s.
    This was accepted so long as the children are cared for. Abusive spouses could be
    discarded quickly and really abusive folk banned,
    essentially a death sentence. Nope, I think
    a child
    deserves two present, loving parents who provide for them in childhood. A child also deserves an upbringing without drug/alcohol abuse, conflict,
    anger, that comes from being in a home where the
    marriage is damaged. Better off being in a single
    parent family. The nuclear family model
    has done more to ruin marriage and raising of children than any other factor. Parenting is tough, relentless work. Not having a safety net in terms of grandparents, aunts, siblings, etc creates a
    situation where, when
    things go bad, neither the parents, and more importantly, the kids, have nowhere safe to vent, ease the pressure, get away if needed. The person one marries that will
    work well as a parent may not be the best person for one as a partner. A lot of men and women in my academic circle married down beca
    use the guys wanted kids and were happy
    to do most of the hard work of parenting. The spouses incomes, being far lower, made little impact on family finances when they quit plus it’s easier to leave and reaquire an unskilled job. What happened
    eventually is that when the kids were old enough to be in school, leave the home, you had a couple with zero in common. A lot of disrespect surfaced. The higher earning spouse would socialize with peers
    rather than their spouses as they had become ashamed of them. Again, saw this in both men and women. The emotionally discarded spouse feels abandoned. Awful situation. Due to blood quantum requirements, many tribal woman will have children fathered by a tribal member so that they are fulfilling the expectation that women contribute children to the tribe and the kids are “in”. The poor dude , who was chosen based on enrollment rather than who he is as a person, is often discarded. Sad for the guy but as kids are raised by everyone anyway, probably better for the child. The inner city Black communities described by earlier com enters are societies of moms, grand moms, aunts, because the men have been devastated by gangs, drugs, violence.  

  7. 7

    It’s not rocket science, if you marry and pledge fidelity, then own up.   If you feel that might be too difficult and might have trouble keeping it in your pants, then do yourself and everyone else in your life a favor and stay single.         

  8. 8

    I know men, okay used to know, who were married and cheated frequently. None of them seem to have any guilt with it. One said he always wanted to get married and have kids, yet he was always going to have a “side project” as well. I think historically, many men had mistresses and the women tolerated it. And women STILL do. The one thing I noticed about these guys’ wives is they were all the same kind of personality; quiet, not terribly ambitious, homebodies, a bit submissive even. In other words, the kind of women who would easily forgive a man for cheating, even countless times.  

    I don’t know what’s more disturbing: men who cheat; or the women who don’t have the guts to leave and tolerate it.  

    I really do think men put women into two categories based on false and stupid reasons: women you marry (and you can cheat on) and women you cheat with.   

  9. 9

    When EMK points out that American culture “teaches us that a husband has to be the best friend, lover, partner-in-crime, transcendent hero and champion,” is he saying that THIS is the hopelessly impossible standard, not fidelity?   My husband was my best friend, lover and partner-in-crime.   I’m not feeling the “hero” and “champion” labels, but he was (is) a remarkable human being and I was proud of him.   Am I crazy to think I can find that again?  

    1. 9.1
      Evan Marc Katz

      1. Fidelity isn’t a hopelessly impossible standard, and yet one quarter of all married couples face it.

      2. I think it’s fair to say that what American women expect of their husbands is greater than what they expect in other places. See Elizabeth Gilbert’s book, “Committed” for more. This isn’t entirely a bad thing – having higher standards is good. That is, until the standards become unrealistic and any mortal man falls short.

      3. No, you’re not crazy. You can (and should) find a remarkable human being to marry again.

      1. 9.1.1

        That’s because in other places you can stone a woman to death just because someone raped her.  

        1. Evan Marc Katz

          Congratulations, AllHeart81, you win the Hyperbolic Nonsequitur Award, for bringing up rape and stoning to a conversation about infidelity and the expectations of marriage. Well done!

      2. 9.1.2

        Very good response Evan. I would only add to the quote below.

        This isn’t entirely a bad thing — having higher standards is good. That is, until the standards become unrealistic and any mortal man falls short.

        I feel it can use the addition that higher standards are OK until you find it too hard to find a good guy. You may be simply expecting too much. I would say the same if all the men in the country were holding out for Playboy Playmates. With there only being 12 per year, a whole lot of men would be disappointed.

        It seems that if are single and have trouble finding an acceptable man, the idea would be to find out what they want, and then see if we need to improve in an area we may be lacking in. We can be mad that men prefer beautiful, younger women, but getting mad isn’t going to do much good, but it will raise our blood pressure, which is not good.

        1. Julia

          I think he means that we expect more from men as our partners, in Western Society. For much of the developing world, women still cannot work, don’t really have a choice in how many children they have so they expect their husbands to work and support them financially. We aren’t burdened with such problems, so we expect more from men then simply working and bringing home food. We look for partners to share our lives with. I think these higher expectations are quite positive and lead to deeper, more meaningful relationships for those in a good relationship.

          Shallow high standards seem to just get in the way for many people. You cannot make yourself any younger than you are, that’s a fact. Despite what the men here might have you believe, plenty of very average people find deep and meaningful relationships every day. I don’t think most men are holding out for great beauties, I know too many average women who are happily married for that to be the case.


  10. 10

    Alot of married man have approached me. I tend to believe it is because I am young and beautiful but as myself why so?! I have also been with a married man and initially it was to see what the excitement was all about. Just like men like having “side chicks” I liked having someone who could financial support me when I wanted. I use the term “financial support” very loosely because I do support myself but I figured the only thing a married man may want from a younger woman is sex and an outlet because they are unhappy.   A married man can sell a promising dream that he is planning on leaving his wife for you and the type of future you both would have.   Nevertheless, I have seen friends fall for those kind of empty promises. I had to stop and think now that it had gotten that far what was I doing. I believe a married man will never (in most cases) leave their wife, they will wait to for her to leave him. He may be unhappy, but he is getting his needs met elsewheren. Men get comfortable. R. Kelly sings “when a woman’s fed up, there’s nothingvyou can do about’s like running out of love” A woman will pack up and divorce you.  

    1. 10.1

      I find it a bit disturbing that your moral compass instructed you that having an affair with a married man just to see “what the excitement was all about” was a good idea. Many men may have side pieces (that would be you), but it takes two, and I think that if a woman knows that a man is married, she has the moral responsibility to stay away. If you ever get married or become involved in a serious relationship which you believe is monogamous, I hope that another woman does not come along and find it acceptable to contribute to the disrespect of you and your marriage just to satisfy her curiosity. I don’t mean to sound judgmental of you, but women need to let go of this notion that it is only the married man’s responsibility to make good decisions. No. If you know that he is married, you should have enough respect for yourself and another human being (his wife) to stay out of the situation. If he is unhappy, it is not your job to satisfy that just cause you feel like it. That’s his fucking problem that he needs work out with his wife. If you sleep with him knowingly, you’re just as scummy.

  11. 11

    To further answer the question..”is adultery inevitable?” I believe so. We are created to be attracted to the opposite sex. Most of the time you will talk to someone because you are physically attracted to them. Now spending 10-15 years having sex with one partner I believe could be challenging in modern day where people only aspire to have the type of marriage our grandparents have. Now I am not married but have married friends and family members.   furthermore, there are so many candidates willing to cheat with you spouse. Women   love sex just as much as men, we may not think about it as much and can go without having sex. I have seen so many unhappy/failed marriages and it seems they have been because of money and sex. In today’s society it’s safer to remain in a commitmented relationship and form a legal agreement between you two. I only believe that because it seems to me people stay together because of the companionship. If you look at couples married for 10+ years many don’t love eachother but tolerate one another. I read alot of marriages don’t last past 7 years now it’s not to say that all marriages fail, but from outside looking in people grow apart, fall out of love, the passion deteriorates, kids move out. Etc

  12. 12
    woman of a certain age

    two things I want to add
    Infidelity is not only an act from sexual yearning or boredom at home. For some it is a way of dealing with their anxiety of being wholly reliant on their a way of keeping one foot out the door.
    According to many medical sources including this one; The only safe sex is no sex. Even oral sex can transmit disease so if either partner is having sex with someone else they are potentially putting their beloved at risk of contracting a disease.

  13. 13

    @dee #10, #11: I find it sad that u and some others feel adultery is inevitable. It’s strange how pple can have similar experiences and yet we process information differently due to some innate differences in personality and world view, coming to different conclusions.
    When I worked in clubs/casinos/parties, I would–like u–get approached by married guys who wanted to start smthg, sometimes when I’d just seen them with their wives a while ago at a different part of the venue! But I’ve never for a minute in my life thought “adultery is inevitable”.
    I agree that often marriage goes downhill, and love fades. And there are many men and women who would cheat. A cynical acquaintance told me that most guys would cheat if they have the opportunity and money; he said “Out of 10 guys, u may find 1 guy who isn’t like that…but I cannot say that there are 2”. I have no idea if his stats are accurate–I would hope not. But anyway I know men and women with great character who would never cheat on their partners, I’m lucky to have grown up with many such pple which i guess helps make me optimistic.
    Women are often puzzled by how many men are so tempted to cheat. I could be wrong, but I think it’s a bit like the female drive to be beautiful. Even when I don’t wanna date, I feel such a need to be pretty although I feel shallow about it. We’re given all these base instincts which are nature’s way of helping us reproduce. It’s biology, no point getting upset about it. Love, the search for meaning in life, and wanting to have integrity are also strong forces and can fight the ‘bad’ biological impulses. Actually life would be pretty boring if we didn’t have bad instincts. 🙂 It’s the struggle which makes it interesting.

  14. 14

    No, cheating is not inevitable.   Especially with the proliferation of information out there about how to proactively and diligently prevent or avoid the situations and behaviors that can lead to cheating.   Of course, there will always be that one who will cheat even while in the best relationship.   But, it is not inevitable for most of us.

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    Ohhh boy. This topic is my Achilles heel…my Waterloo…the bane of my existence…whatever. I wish it weren’t the case and i had the sunny-side up “struggle is what makes it interesting” viewpoint that Tamara has, but alas, once my eyes were opened they could never be closed again. Just like Nemo in “The Matrix” – I chose the blue pill or whatever and I can never go back to my former life / existence of blissful ignorance. And what really churns in my gut is how lonely it is here…because people tend to label my comments now as “negative” or “pessimistic” or even “nazi-feminist” Man-hating shrew” and probably worse than I know about…when really, I am just   very very sad, disapponted…and awake.

    1. 15.1

      Try the red pill instead.   Also, instead of chasing after Prince Charming, find a man who shows all the signs of being faithful, even if he isn’t what you are normally used to.   I think we know that not all women are the same, and the same is true of men.   But having our eyes open to the truth (red pill), we can learn to choose the right path, not the one that appears to be the right path.
      Red pill – Blue pill comes from the movie The Matrix.   He was told to take the blue pill if he wanted to remain in the matrix.   Ignorance is bliss.   But, if he wanted out of the Matrix, wanted to know the truth, take the red pill.   He chose the red pill.
      The idea is the same as the shorter man blog post by Evan.   It basically states that the shorter guys are better husbands because they had to learn to be because women discriminate against them because of their height.   They have to make the most of their limited chances with women.   I would say that this holds true with all men who are not the first choice for women.   Maybe a much shorter man isn’t acceptable to you, but maybe a man who is less accomplished, but very loving, loyal and devoted to you would be?   Of course, first you would have to learn to not care what others think of your dating, or marrying a man less accomplished than the men you’ve previously dated.   Parties would be a challenge because the first thing everyone would want to do is size him up.   Gasbags who will be measuring his worth based on earning ability alone.   And yet, is that really the only measure of a quality man?   Sad world if it is.   There are women who make this work very well, but I think it helps if you are accomplished yourself.     If a woman is no accomplished, but simply has the looks to attract accomplished men, and is accustomed to having them, clearly this won’t work for her.

      1. 15.1.1

        It doesn’t have to do with looks. I dated a couple guys, thinking they would be more loyal because girls wouldn’t be throwing themselves at them and they were more shy. Both were good at lying to my face and saying all the pretty words of assurance; both turned out to be raging sex addicts who used porn, sex chatting, and prostitutes every chance they got. I think it fed their self esteem to have that power over these women (and me) and they could lie to themselves that the women wanted them and used sex to validate themselves and feed the empty spot where their souls should have been.

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    This is why I don’t “do” relationships/involvements anymore.

    I’m a straight woman. I want to have a family and children. I am monogamous FULL STOP.

    Since I am sexually exclusively attracted to men, I do feel it’s become almost impossible to find a faithful partner who wants the things I mentioned above, given what other options there are today.

    Men pretty much never say no to sex when it is available.

    And when the societal standard becomes that monogamy is negotiable, how the hell am I supposed to find a men who does not either feel hugely restricted in his freedom by me insisting on monogamy and/or just cheats on me behind my back?

    Men who really *want* to be monogamous (not you simply *are* monogamous because their environment would sanction contrary actions) are very, VERY rare. So are men who want (I mean as in, are aware of the responsibilities and willing to put in the hours and sweat) children.

    And that’s before the whole chemistry, aligning values and so on, comes into play.

    Under these conditions, I might as well set out to find a rainbow-colored unicorn.

    So let everyone hump everyone else left, right and center and be fine with it.

    I’m out.


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      This is where the problem begins. This bristling idea that men by their nature cannot be monogamous. I can never understand how society has come to reach this conclusion. It is a notion that is disturbingly normalised. Why don’t the same standards apply for women? In simple terms; as a woman, When I get married, I am expected to get into that marriage with a subliminal, covert clause that stipulates that I am likely to and possibly will be cheated on. It devalues what a marriage is supposed to be. I see how a husband/wife can be attracted to someone else whilst married, but that does not mean it has to be acted on. Adultery is a choice, I don’t care how anyone feels that they are justified in committing adultery, it is a choice nonetheless. It is a diabolical act. To cheat on your spouse and then rationalise it; then expect him/her to forgive and be happy and secure in the marriage? It just creates all sorts of other problems. It is selfish, and demeaning to the scorned spouse.

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    Tonya Marie

    wow !!!

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